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Originally Posted by goon

Since this is not just a discussion forum, it is a site Comments forums I would generally allow these types of messages to be posted here.

Well, from the polarization that seems to have developed over the last few days, I think that's a good idea to air these issues.

But I've seen four or five threads addressing these issues and they seem all to be closed now. Including this thread (Where did SleepCounter's Street Racing = Death thread go?) in this same forum.

If a person didn't know better they'd think these types of messages were being discouraged. As fierce said, "Catch 22"

Originally Posted by goon

Rather than complain though I would like to see any of you come up with a better way of handling it.

Consistent, transparent enforcement of the rules. Graduated warning system.

This was right out of the blue, for me, anyway.

Originally Posted by goon

If you have a broad criticism of the site this forum is the correct place to place it, as long as it is intellgent well thought out criticism. "This place sucks" is not likely to get you anywhere.

I would not invest my time and money if it sucked.

Or even if it was benign.

This place rocks. That's why I invest my time and money here.

Originally Posted by goon

But things like I dont like how 1st gen is handled because of a) b) c) is more likely to be discussed by the admin and mod staff.

a) old warning system was predictable, consistent and transparent. What happened last week was none of those.

Someone in the mods forum has seemingly propagated some misinformation about my having received "repeated private messages from the mods" when there was, in fact, one message. Three months ago.

b) new system seems arbitrary (if someone becomes "maddeningly intolerable" they can get the boot, irrespective on any rules broken or not broken, any warnings given or not given).

Originally Posted by imagoonmx6

If you have a broad criticism of the site this forum is the correct place to place it, as long as it is intellgent well thought out criticism. ... ... ...
This forum is not the place to post one on one posts like youngbeckers post about Panther.

'Splain that to Goatcrapp.

Originally Posted by goatcrapp

Now that's the kind of contribution we need from our mods. The kind of insightful analysis that has made this place what it is today.

Originally Posted by goat

did it EVER occur to you, that your continued participation in fued with the member you refer to as "thick" is what brought the situation to a head in the first place?

You talkin' to me? You talkin' to ME?

If so, (a) no, it didn't occur to me, (b) participation in any "fued" was, if anything, sporadic and (c) I agree with Damien far more often than disagree. I tickle his as often as the system allows, always positive.

It is evident that some of the mods would much prefer youngbecker-style three-word posts over meaningful dialogue.

Originally Posted by goat

did it EVER occur to you that the rest of us are SICK AND TIRED of seeing the constant baiting by you, in referring to him as thick when you quote, as well as his inevitable retorts when baited?

I'm not certain that you are empowered to speak for everyone. Are you speaking for Jon? If "the rest of us" is just referring to the mods, then i suggest to you that that the mods can make this a pretty lonely place in a very short time by presuming that their opinions represent those of the usership.

Originally Posted by goat

this whole farkin thread is pathetic.. where's the wahmbulance.

You could always close it or delete it.

Originally Posted by goat

the egos are FAR more beligerent, high handed, and condescending in the 1g arena...

How 'bout the mods?

I think it behooves me to mention at this time that, contrary to what many have speculated on, panther did *NOT* (to the best of my knowledge) perform the plug-pulling.

Originally Posted by goat

The tension was invading other threads at will (for instance the street racing thread..

There is no street racing thread.

Originally Posted by goat

why was there ANY need, in the very first post, to bring "thick" into it (and as such), even if it were just to say "on this point we ACTUALLY agree" ?)

Are you intimating we should limit our posts to topics upon which we disagree? I think he has a modicum of credibility around here. I like to think that, on a topic this important (important to me, anyway, maybe not to you) it doesn't hurt to invoke that credibility.

Evidently others think otherwise.

Originally Posted by goat

why the hell should someone in the lounge, or wherver, have to be exposed to the tension present between two or more members, because of some stupid little fued they refuse to let go of in another area of the site?

Anyone in the lounge (or wherever) has access to the ignore list. They are only exposed to whichever feuds (stupid or otherwise, little or otherwise) they choose to be exposed to.

Originally Posted by goat

that brings down the whole site - and more than one participant in this thread, aside from sleep and sick, are a part of that fued...

Disagree, wholeheartedly.

When we disagree (and we do, from time to time), the resulting discourse/dialogue (some might call it feuding, but they're missing the point altogether) raises the value of the site -- brings out facts and information that might otherwise not surface.

Originally Posted by goat

we can argue semantics (in regards to the verbiage of the rules, the way they are enforced, etc) all we want but more than one of us (i'll include myself here, we've all had our episodes on this site) have become maddeningly intolerable, and regardless of the wealth of knowledge any one person might represent, it gets to the point where i would place most of you on ignore if it were acceptable, as a mod, to do so.

While I might carp about the way some mods do their jobs, I appreciate them doing their jobs nonetheless.

Especially panther, who derives no real value from attending here, being (as it were) sixless.

This place would be a total waste of time/bedlam without them.

That being said, if you would prefer "most of us" on your ignore list, I would wonder at your preference (not to mention your suitability) of remaining a mod.

You do have a choice.

Originally Posted by goat

some of you have a serious problem simply being decent, and getting the hell over this whole intarweb thing.

Some mods have difficulty adhering to the very rules they are entrusted to enforce.

But we're all human, as you've said just know, "We've all had our episodes".

But someone, somewhere is making things up in trying to justify my being banned. Note where M(y)x6gr8RiDe justifies my ban here (Where did SleepCounter's Street Racing = Death thread go?) on the basis of "Constantly bickering and blatantly calling out another person even after repeated private messages from mods".

I agree that someone who does that "even after repeated private messages from mods" deserves to spend a few days in the cooler. I bet you do, as well.

Trouble is, that isn't me.

I have only had one private message from one mod (on April Fool's day) this year.

I presume that M(y)x6gr8RiDe got his "repeated private messages" info from the mods forum and have no idea who propagated such fluff, but obviously M(y)x6gr8RiDe, for one, has bought into it.

Some mod/mods obviously has/have "a serious problem simply being decent" as well.

You know who, I don't.

Originally Posted by M(y)x6gr8RiDe

some of you are the very cause of this whole episode

I think 'goon was hoping for something a little more constructive than that.

Originally Posted by thick

Kirk and I actually communicated back and forth the whole while everyone was makign a media circus out of nothing.

Give some people a hammer and suddenly everything starts looking like a nail.