[Goatcrapp]

Now that's the kind of contribution we need from our mods.

Demonstrative sarcasm. I was merely replying in a manner you seem to prefer.

If so, (a) no, it didn't occur to me, (b) participation in any "fued" was, if anything, sporadic and (c) I agree with Damien far more often than disagree. I tickle his as often as the system allows, always positive.

a> a fly rarely sees itself as covered in feces.

b> it seemed more often than sporadic. What you do with your karma is not known. It comes off as a feud. if its not walking like a duck, perhaps making that more evident with your posting, instead of the constant... well, THIS... would go a long way in helping your cause.

From what I gather, the mods would like a greater level of TACT than you and other members have been showing.

If "the rest of us" is just referring to the mods, then i suggest to you that that the mods can make this a pretty lonely place in a very short time by presuming that their opinions represent those of the usership.

actually, and i am not even the 1G mod, i've been approached by other members about the tension, the baiting, and now the bannings, etc. I am sure i am not the only mod fielding questions and opinions.. BUT - nice way to avoid actually answering. Do you deny you bait certain members, make snide comments in threads they haven't even participated in, and bring up topics from other, already closed threads? That's obnoxious.

You could always close it or delete it.

... OR...you can learn some tact and not merely quote, dissemble, and challenge the semantics of the rules as written, conveniently where and when it may suit your "points" the most.

How 'bout the mods?

well.. which ones? i am not sure if you mean the 1g staff, or staff in general.. either way... how about them? That was my opinion posted as a user of the 1g forum, since i have no mod privs there..

so.. how about them? The mods are an extremely affable bunch, who get along with the vast majority of the membership. They communicate frequently for both advice and opinions before major actions are taken, and its a staff that uses the mod card very sparingly. I am as much a member as I am a mod. I've been moderated, while being a mod, have had posts closed, deleted, etc... STILL i find it among the most tolerant bunch on the web. Maybe you're feeling picked on, but sometimes we ALL need to stop and ask if its really the rest of the world with the problem... or just ourselves.

Before you ask me to substantiate "the rest of the world" with signatures and notarizations, it was a figure of speech.

I think it behooves me to mention at this time that, contrary to what many have speculated on, panther did *NOT* (to the best of my knowledge) perform the plug-pulling.

correct.. which means more than one opinion of the situation before actions were taken.

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here is no street racing thread.

omg. and you call others thick... there was one.. YOU know it, I know it, and any of the 500+ views it received, know it... which included many of those in this thread. Do you not see how asinine replies like that could be obnoxious? You will argue the semanitcs of it not being there NOW, to suit your own point.. but ignore the fact that it WAS, ignore your own participation in the crap that got it removed... and refuse to address the actual point that was brought up about it.. LOL this tactic reminds me of one of those dmv lawyers.

Are you intimating we should limit our posts to topics upon which we disagree? I think he has a modicum of credibility around here. I like to think that, on a topic this important (important to me, anyway, maybe not to you) it doesn't hurt to invoke that credibility.

Are you seriously ignoring the main point? I am more than intimating that you should either show some ability to walk away from your arguments or not bother posting, if you can't leave such comments out of other threads. Its about why you felt the need to throw snide remarks in, about other members as well as the moderation staff in this, a "for instance" example, which implies itself along with other threads where this action has taken place! its annoying to me as a MEMBER (mod hat off) to have to sift through, to get to the meat of a subject. This has nothing to do with invoking credibility.

Anyone in the lounge (or wherever) has access to the ignore list.

wow.. Is that really the way think? So that means they should all be burdened with having to ignore you instead of you just gaining a bit of tact with your posts?

you were moderated, and that behavior was addressed. It is our job to limit such feuds, and if, after many closed threads, a "next step" is required - thats when temp bans are handed out. Sorry, but we won't just leave it up to the members to ignore list other members, if they are consistently a problem.

Disagree, wholeheartedly. When we disagree (and we do, from time to time), the resulting discourse/dialogue (some might call it feuding, but they're missing the point altogether) raises the value of the site -- brings out facts and information that might otherwise not surface.

and modern skin grafting is a direct result of experiments performed in nazi germany. You might think it raises the value of the site.. but the answers will come anyway - the site can do without the bickering in the same way we could have arrived at better burn treatment without attempted genocide.

but, I DO agree with you there.. that was a major point of contention when the problems came to a head in the first place... you guys DO bring a ton of insight and intellect to the table. All the technical knowledge in the world means squat when a person's attitude sucks... when its clouded by redirection tactics... and when it continues long after someone of authority has asked that it stop. Why is it that technical discussions, with differing points, can be had in other parts of the site, without turning into a circus? hint: you have a large part to do with the "tone" these threads take.. hence the actions that were taken against you.

While I might carp about the way some mods do their jobs, I appreciate them doing their jobs nonetheless... <snip> That being said, if you would prefer "most of us" on your ignore list, I would wonder at your preference (not to mention your suitability) of remaining a mod.

more misdirection.. my suitability as a mod has nothing to do with my desire to ignore most of the problem members or flame baiters. Its a gut reaction, same as one's desire to do without the rantings of a lunatic on a street corner... it has nothing to do with my sutiability or preference of being a mod, though i do like the almost-tact with which you presented your appreciation for the mods and their duties. Funny you mention bedlam without seeing your own contribution to it.

Some mods have difficulty adhering to the very rules they are entrusted to enforce.

you mean your selective quotings of them? Lets ignore the common sense element entirely.. If its not written down, it doesnt apply.

But we're all human, as you've said just know, "We've all had our episodes".

we're having one now

But someone, somewhere is making things up in trying to justify my being banned. Note where M(y)x6gr8RiDe justifies my ban here on the basis of "Constantly bickering and blatantly calling out another person even after repeated private messages from mods".

I agree that someone who does that "even after repeated private messages from mods" deserves to spend a few days in the cooler. I bet you do, as well.

Trouble is, that isn't me.

I have only had one private message from one mod (on April Fool's day) this year.

I presume that M(y)x6gr8RiDe got his "repeated private messages" info from the mods forum and have no idea who propagated such fluff, but obviously M(y)x6gr8RiDe, for one, has bought into it.

re: ban - it was a 3 dayer. a time out. most sites dont call that a ban, they'll call it restricted access or whatever. Real bans are permanent, and no_one wanted that for either you or sick... that much i can assure you of.

if there is some conspiracy to get you banned permanently, you can also be certain it will be paid better attention to. If there are unsubstantiated claims flying around about what actions have been taken, PMs sent, or other warnings you supposedly ignored, when in fact they were never made, then obviously thats unfair to you and should be handled accordingly.

Some mod/mods obviously has/have "a serious problem simply being decent" as well.

You know who, I don't.

and those mods were asked to leave several months ago. There is as little tolerance for it on the mod staff as there is in the general membership. All mods have a say in who becomes staff and who is asked to leave before the decision is made.

as for current moderators, unless you mean me specifically, i cannot think of any who don't try their hardest to be decent to all members they moderate. I've yet to see one be harsh until long after it was pushed far enough where it would be justified. I've yet to see a mod lose it over any SINGLE instance.