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Originally Posted by M(y)x6gr8RiDe

Why are you assuming I was referrring to you? I simply posted an answer for people who asked the question.

Let me review the bases for my assumption. The last three posts (before the thread was closed) looked like this:

Originally Posted by Jon

Theres no reasion to ban Kirk. He's the most intelligent person on this site.

Originally Posted by trickedmx6

Right On.

Originally Posted by M(y)x6gr8RiDe

Constantly bickering and blatantly calling out another person even after repeated private messages from mods isn't reason enough for a 3 day ban? I wasn't behind this but I can say that it was not unreasonable. So let them have their 3 day ban and cool off.

Yup, it sure looks to me in that context that you were referring to me.

Are you now claiming that I received no "repeated private messages from mods"?

Originally Posted by M(y)x6gr8RiDe

Administration felt that there was reason enough for a temporary ban

Perhaps they were under the misapprehension that I had received "repeated private messages from mods" and that justified their decision.

Originally Posted by M(y)x6gr8RiDe

why don't you ask them?

Lord knows I've tried.

Originally Posted by Goatcrapp

Demonstrative sarcasm. I was merely replying in a manner you seem to prefer.

That kind of response can get you temp banned.

Unless, of course, you are a mod.

Do you see any double standard here?

Originally Posted by goat

a fly rarely sees itself as covered in feces

Some mods do not see themselves as "maddeningly intolerable", either.

Originally Posted by goat

it seemed more often than sporadic.

Well, if that's how it "seems", then why worry about whether the "repeated private messages from mods" is a fabrication or not -- just pull the plug, by all means.

Originally Posted by goat

What you do with your karma is not known.

Known by Damien. I'm certain he'd apprise you if I was "making stuff up" about the number and flavour of the k-stuff which I've vouchsafed him, especially if the feud you imagine really existed.

Originally Posted by goat

It comes off as a feud. if its not walking like a duck, perhaps making that more evident with your posting, instead of the constant... well, THIS... would go a long way in helping your cause.

I'll try to be more beckeresque in the future, but i seem not to be very good at it.

Originally Posted by goat

From what I gather, the mods would like a greater level of TACT than you and other members have been showing.

I do so wish I could suffer fools more gladly. It would save me copious online time.

Originally Posted by goat

actually, and i am not even the 1G mod, i've been approached by other members about the tension, the baiting, and now the bannings, etc. I am sure i am not the only mod fielding questions and opinions..

It's a heavy burden, I already have acknowledged that.

Originally Posted by goat

BUT - nice way to avoid actually answering.

Much like the mods when I ask about "repeated private messages from mods". Red herrings come out and subjects get changed.

Originally Posted by goat

Do you deny you bait certain members,

Deny.

Originally Posted by goat

make snide comments in threads they haven't even participated in,

Deny.

Originally Posted by goat

and bring up topics from other, already closed threads?

Once. Two years ago.

Originally Posted by goat

That's obnoxious.

Not intended to be so -- sorry you see it as such.

Originally Posted by goat

... OR...you can learn some tact and not merely quote, dissemble, and challenge the semantics of the rules as written, conveniently where and when it may suit your "points" the most.

Good advice, all. Should be followed be everyone here. Even mods.

Originally Posted by goat

well.. which ones?

Which mods? I'm doing my best to adhere to 'goon's request to try to make this dialogue productive. I'm not certain pointing fingers is productive. And my definition of "beligerent, high handed, and condescending" is certainly different from yours, in any case.

I would much rather (and I'm certain 'goon would much rather) stick to facts, rather than value judgements.

Originally Posted by goat

i am not sure if you mean the 1g staff, or staff in general.. either way... how about them? That was my opinion posted as a user of the 1g forum, since i have no mod privs there..

You make it sound as though your opinion is of the same value as mine (also a user of 1g forum). I was not consulted regarding banning (like you were) -- hell I wasn't even recipient of the "repeated private messages from mods" that M(y)x6gr8RiDe implies I received.

I don't think you (or any mods) should be allowed to insult other users with impunity by invoking the caveat of, "I wasn't acting as a mod at that exact moment".

Originally Posted by goat

so.. how about them? The mods are an extremely affable bunch, who get along with the vast majority of the membership. They communicate frequently for both advice and opinions before major actions are taken, and its a staff that uses the mod card very sparingly. I am as much a member as I am a mod. I've been moderated, while being a mod, have had posts closed, deleted, etc... STILL i find it among the most tolerant bunch on the web.

Not complaining about their affability, just their actions, seemingly based on a horsefluff assertion of "repeated private messages from mods".

Originally Posted by goat

Maybe you're feeling picked on,

More like lied to (along with the rest of the usership) about the justification offered for my deletion.

Originally Posted by goat

but sometimes we ALL need to stop and ask if its really the rest of the world with the problem... or just ourselves.

Maybe when , "it gets to the point where i would place most of you on ignore" (like you opined eight messages ago), perhaps the problem is in the mirror, as well.

My problem is not with the rest of the world, it's with the mods taking action based on a falsehood propagated by one (or more) of their membership.

Originally Posted by goat

Before you ask me to substantiate "the rest of the world" with signatures and notarizations, it was a figure of speech.

Is that what "repeated private messages from mods" is? A figure of speech?

Originally Posted by goat

correct.. which means more than one opinion of the situation before actions were taken.

What I was trying to convey was that panther seemed to be taking flack for having pulled the plug. He, least of all the mods, deserves such flack.

Unless he is the one who propagated the "repeated private messages from mods" invention.

Originally Posted by goat

omg. and you call others thick... there was one.. YOU know it, I know it, and any of the 500+ views it received, know it... which included many of those in this thread. Do you not see how asinine replies like that could be obnoxious?

I know there was one. I invested some considerable time in trying to make what I consider a salient point, taking and uploading pictures and links and typing my prose.

I put it in the lounge, where I thought it appropriate for an issue that I guessed might be contentious.

It was deleted by a mod -- reason given: "oh. my. god. >_<".

I offer that action as an example of the "beligerent, high handed, and condescending" behaviour that you attributed to 1G fora in your "tripe" post.

If that deletion was done after consultation involving you, shame on you.

Originally Posted by goat

You will argue the semanitcs of it not being there NOW, to suit your own point..

My point was that it was removed.

Arbitrarily.

One great thing about the way that panther moderates, is that he takes the time to separate the wheat from the chaff and leaves behind the good stuff when he moves or deletes the "crap".

Originally Posted by goat

but ignore the fact that it WAS,

Trying to highlight the fact that it was removed. Irony train passed through and nobody noticed. I'll try to be less subtle next time.

Originally Posted by goat

ignore your own participation in the crap that got it removed...

The crap got removed along with much good stuff.

I guess it's easier for a mod to just delete an entire thread than to sift through and retain the good stuff (like panther does).

Originally Posted by goat

and refuse to address the actual point that was brought up about it..

I'm not certain what "the actual point" was about it. That Damien and i agreed about this subject, or the fact that I said so. Somehow one of those two is seen as creating tension. I honestly don't understand "the point", sorry for being so (dare i say it?) thick.

Originally Posted by goat

LOL this tactic reminds me of one of those dmv lawyers.

I hope I never stoop THAT low.

Originally Posted by goat

Are you seriously ignoring the main point?

Maybe I'm missing it. Are you seriously ignoring the fact that my ban was justified on the basis of "repeated private messages from mods" which no one seems to know about and which mods were supposedly sending?

Originally Posted by goat

I am more than intimating that you should either show some ability to walk away from your arguments or not bother posting, if you can't leave such comments out of other threads.

I can do that! Can you tell me the source of the "repeated private messages from mods" fluff?

Originally Posted by goat

Its about why you felt the need to throw snide remarks in, about other members as well as the moderation staff in this, a "for instance" example, which implies itself along with other threads where this action has taken place!

You'll have to rephrase that -- I'm having difficulty following it.

Please don't attribute any "need to throw snide remarks". I feel no such need.