Come on guys use your heads ^ You can do anything you want if you put some thought into it!
The problem here is being stuck in a box and never travelling elsewhere.
change things around that are much wiser elsewhere, have fun, and do what you want:
Again, see "box".
These guy's aren't thinking outside the box they are turbo charging an N/A tune car and putting the turbo in the only place it fits under the already crammed hood, for them to think outside the box they'd have to try and fit the turbo down there under the manifold where there is no room, even with the tiny half rads. The biggest problem is how low the manifold comes out of the head and how short the block is, without making crazy bends in the manifold it would be hard to put a turbo of that size down there without it passing the block and oil pan....
Again, conjecture and rhetoric with nothing backing it up. There are plenty of automobiles using well designed top mounts with little or no risk of damaging the hood, or plug wires, or radiator. You can purchase a heat resistant exhaust scroll shield from anywhere, you can purchase plug wire shields as well as spark plug boot shield as well.
As for RPM, there are plenty of engines with designs similar to ours that are doing the same thing as well. I think funhouse on here purchased a d16 manifold and used that with his 16G. JGS sells a flange for around $90 and the d16 manifolds are around $100 from eBay. This would give you plenty of options for the exhaust piping too. The only reason this hasn't been done is because nobody has bothered to do it, not because it shouldnt be done. I agree that the stock manifold is a good design but far from perfect, especially with an aftermarket turbo.
Yeah see..whats wrong with that? NOTHING. I have some pictures on my other PC of some well designed top mounts too. For those without A/C and PS, you could probably use a sidewinder manifold like the S2000's and face the compressor inlet towards the passenger side light. I've looked on that side and with the proper angles you could run the exhaust back out and under the mount giving you a straight shot back towards the rear of the car. There are so many ideas that nobody has ever done on this forum.
i am doing my worklog for my probe.. and i was just about to weld my flange on my mani.. and my turbo is really close to my block.. i am running all these ideas through my head. and what if instead welding the flange on so the exhaust is straight down.. i grind metal away close to the front of the car and then weld the flange on so that the turbo in slightly on angle.. nothin to much... just some what... or would that mess up the fluids.?
Which fluids? Coolant is fine....anywhere. Oil inlet and outlet should be kept at less than 30 degrees of center. Other than that, however you can install it with the engine bay that you have. I'm not sure what you mean but...
If you keep smooth transitions and eliminate uneccessary bends then you will have a good outcome no matter how long your piping is. Properly built remote mount turbo kits have almost no noticable lag other than what you'd normally expect and most of the time you see TO4B and E used on remote mounts and that is in the back of the car- intercooler and exhaust piping.
As said, you simply use smaller diameter piping to keep exhaust gas velocity high. With a good amount of piping, a large turbo could actually benefit from the piping length as there is ample time to build exhaust pulse from each cylinder rather than trying to cram it all into one small area creating a ton of heat at the same time. And Carbage wants to talk about heat in the engine bay- the stock ex man does a great job at that already.
If you were to do a sidewinder- you could do one like this and bring the exhaust piping down by the massenger motor mount and to the back of the car:
Take your passenger side light out and you have unrestricted air access to the turbos inlet.
A local guy here in Melbourne had a turbo setup that placed the turbo where the battery would be on his GC. It was a turbo charged N/A engine but that is besides the point.
A local guy here in Melbourne had a turbo setup that placed the turbo where the battery would be on his GC. It was a turbo charged N/A engine but that is besides the point.
CAM22T has a top mount manifold on his FE3.
The 2G's placement had me thinking about it for the 1G as they dont have much room to work with at all- same place as the GC. I have been trying to come up with a solution for my RHC6 hybrid and make it bolt up. The flange is a standard T3 but if I welded a T3 flange to the stock ex man then the factory RHC6 elbow would face upwards. I was contemplating using an RHB5 exhaust side and honing the exhaust side for an RHB6 turbine instead- but....I figure I'll just use the stock RHC6 exhaust scroll and turbine shaft instead. I'll show you pictures and you'll see what I mean.
A better question would be why do those running stand alone, larger turbo's, custom manifolds .... not flip the turbo around ? -Intake on passenger side, this would make plumbing a front mount intercooler much easier and more efficient. This also makes fitting larger turbo's with internal waste gates easier (With cooling fan modification).
I couldnt agree moar!
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Originally Posted by Mazda Carnage
Even those running a Vaf (me included) can untape the wire harness at the Vaf plug wires and along the fire wall, tape up the harness without those wires, and then run the Vaf wires and plug to the front passenger side.
Damn urona roll Bro!
I thought about that too when I rebuilt my engine and retaped the wiring harness for lulz and newness. There is a lot of spare wire to work with and reroute when the electrical tape and wire shields aren't directing it one way only.
Yeah, I'd say that if there was any heat damge due to this top mount then you would see it! I'm not saying it won't or can't happen- but if you do it RIGHT you drastically reduce your chances of doing so.
I know that car! The guy driving the car I bought my old Nissan Y30 off. The 120Y was up for sale when I bought the Y30. He took me for a drive, it was quick.
Thats so funny that uron the other side of the world and I'm finding cars you've been in via teh inTaRw3bz
One of the reasons that I started thinking about this was I was out in the garage thinking about what I have and what I can do with this car if I just forth the effort to get it done. I have all the parts, just lacking the motivation to do anything really.
So I was looking at an IHI RHC6 VX89 that I have.
It has an awesome exhaust elbow just begging to be used:
Standard T3 exhaust inlet:
3" exhaust elbow made of cast iron
V band allows for felxion without having to purcahse another flex pipe for the exhaust. Thats a plus.
Heres an example but this is a GM3:
The VX I have is the same size just no pictures of it.
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