Megasquirt On the F2t

mazdalowandslow · 3-10-08, 5:25

Well I hope there are some guys out there with megasquirt on there F2t motors.. Im new a megasquirt and have a few questions on what i need or dont need for setting up megasquirt on the f2t.

First Im going to be using ms2.2

Is it a must that i get the EDIS system for the motor? Is it easyer to tune?

Are there any quirks that i should know about hooking up ms to this motor?

Any help will be welcomed! Thanks !

compnut21 · 3-10-08, 6:49

yup, search around here. its been done a lot. theres a lot more info on megasquirting the f2t over at probetalk.com though.

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Is it a must that i get the EDIS system for the motor? Is it easyer to tune?

edis just makes it a little easier, though i think it requires you to mount a 32-1 wheel to your crank

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Are there any quirks that i should know about hooking up ms to this motor?

you only end up using like 6 out of 30something wores on the ecu harness? lol

just ask around and people will anwser

**lundgren420** · 3-10-08, 8:02

first EDIS is for people who cant use ther distributor for a triger. Next are you going for fuel only or spark to. Then do you think that ms is going to give you 50 hp or something or have you built a crazy motor. MS would be wasted if you were on all factory eqiupment. MAZDA tuned for that engine for years and you would probably be fine on the factory ecu till you get to 250 hp and ger a big turbo, larger injectors, and some nitrous controle. My point is dont try to go to ms till you need it.

**SXE MX6** · 3-10-08, 10:12

yep, waste of time really.......I mean our car is factory turbo. If it wern't, and we wanted a turbo, then yes a standalone is a good idea.

Theres been people that hit over 300whp, with the stock ecu, so really, why bother spending money where its not needed, and constantly changeing stuff to suit weather conditions.

Personally I think its a waste of time........
For an FE3, yea sure, but thats entirely different.....

compnut21 · 3-10-08, 19:30

idk guys, im putting megasquirt on as my first mod. just gives you more flexibility for anyting else you want to do.

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MAZDA tuned for that engine for years...

yeah, in 88-92. a lot of improvements in technology have hapopend in 18 years. people have already shown the stock sysyem runs too rich when in boost and isnt the most effectent thing out there.

all that aside, with a megasquirt theres about 20 things under the hood that can go. (egr, fpr solenoid, VAF, turbo solenoid, ect.)

p.s. my second mod is mostlikely gonna be lx pistons and a t-bird hybrid. megasquirt should help there some.

**lundgren420** · 3-11-08, 12:33

if you are going to break open your block and change pistons why short yourself with standard aluminum pistons

**fredio54** · 3-11-08, 12:52

Whats this guys??? Most oem tunes are as conservative as a man in grey trousers with his socks pulled up. There are often 50hp to be found. I dunno about in the stock f2t, but like the man says, they run super rich, and i bet you could lean it out a bit and get more ponies fairly safely while opening youself up for dropping all the BS gear in there and getting a good base tune for making more power later.

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Originally Posted by compnut21

idk guys, im putting megasquirt on as my first mod. just gives you more flexibility for anyting else you want to do.

yeah, in 88-92. a lot of improvements in technology have hapopend in 18 years. people have already shown the stock sysyem runs too rich when in boost and isnt the most effectent thing out there.

Exactly.

I'm surprised to hear you lot saying that. As soon as you crank the boost you really need to know what is going on properly. i.e. what duty cycles you are at etc. not guessing and hoping that its ok...

Stand alone for the first power mod is definitely a good move if you know what you are doing. Sounds like this guy does.

Fred.

**fredio54** · 3-11-08, 12:53

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p.s. my second mod is mostlikely gonna be lx pistons

that on the other hand is just stupid really...

now i'm undecided...

mazdalowandslow · 3-11-08, 18:47

well im not putting the engine in mx6,its in my b2200. Im looking to do fuel and spark control. Its currently a stock motor, looking into the future of using a t3/t4 turbo upgrade.

compnut21 · 3-11-08, 19:03

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Originally Posted by fredio54

that on the other hand is just stupid really...

now i'm undecided...

well it was just a thought. its much cheaper then buying custom pistons and it brings it up to a 8.5:1 if i recall correctly.

but thanks for agreeing with me about the megasquirt.

EDIT: apon further research, i see why you think its stupid. i didnt realize they are made from a weaker metal. so yeah, thats out of the plan now.

**fredio54** · 3-11-08, 19:42

I think it's bullshlt that they are made from a different metal.

I think its stupid because the head is a poor design, and the compression ratio is at that level for the stock boost and normal gas, add boost and better gas, or leave it stock, or go na with higher compression.

compression is WAY over rated, and low compression is a huge advantage with boost.

ie, you will make more torque, and power more safely with the stock pistons.

low n slow, got a thread of your ute?

Fred.

compnut21 · 3-11-08, 20:04

well i appreceate your advice, and i think ill take it. I guess ill make a thread, but its not too pretty. just a drity old stock 4ws gt

compnut21 · 3-11-08, 20:11

eh, heres something i made the other day for another forum

larger version
http://img170.imageshack.us/img170/9316/sigpp2.jpg

**SixSick6** · 3-11-08, 20:24

With the stock turbo or even a T Bird hybrid, megasquirt is not needed. Sure it would be fine to install and get the hang of it but you'd easily find that you should have spent your money on a larger turbo to begin with. Bottom line is that people ahve used much larger turbo with not much more than hacks and pretty much stock setup to achieve 275-300+ hp which is more than enough to destroy one of these junky engines and transmissions to begin with. Take a poll of how many of those people actually have a drivable MX6 after their 250-275hp jaunt and then see what broke and what didnt. I have seen a single thread where it was directly related to tuning.- or lack there of as it were.

FE-DOHC, install all the MS you want- it's worth it.
F2T- waste of time money and wellbeing.

compnut21 · 3-11-08, 21:32

or megasquirt then upgrade to the fe3

but seriously, id like some tuneablility is all. the idea of having to burn roms or just buying some premade, preset chips is horrible to me. i like the idea of if it stutters at some rpm at some load i could adjust timing or ve some till it clears up.

3-10-08, 5:25	#1 (permalink)
mazdalowandslow Join Date: May 2004 Location: , WA, USA iTrader: (0)	Megasquirt On the F2t Well I hope there are some guys out there with megasquirt on there F2t motors.. Im new a megasquirt and have a few questions on what i need or dont need for setting up megasquirt on the f2t. First Im going to be using ms2.2 Is it a must that i get the EDIS system for the motor? Is it easyer to tune? Are there any quirks that i should know about hooking up ms to this motor? Any help will be welcomed! Thanks ! Last edited by mazdalowandslow : 3-10-08 at 5:37.
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3-10-08, 8:02	#3 (permalink)
lundgren420 Join Date: Oct 2005 Location: OZARK, MO, USA Age: 24 iTrader: (7)	first EDIS is for people who cant use ther distributor for a triger. Next are you going for fuel only or spark to. Then do you think that ms is going to give you 50 hp or something or have you built a crazy motor. MS would be wasted if you were on all factory eqiupment. MAZDA tuned for that engine for years and you would probably be fine on the factory ecu till you get to 250 hp and ger a big turbo, larger injectors, and some nitrous controle. My point is dont try to go to ms till you need it.
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SXE MX6 Join Date: May 2004 Location: , Close to Niagara Falls CA Age: 29 iTrader: (2)	yep, waste of time really.......I mean our car is factory turbo. If it wern't, and we wanted a turbo, then yes a standalone is a good idea. Theres been people that hit over 300whp, with the stock ecu, so really, why bother spending money where its not needed, and constantly changeing stuff to suit weather conditions. Personally I think its a waste of time........ For an FE3, yea sure, but thats entirely different.....
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3-11-08, 12:33	#6 (permalink)
lundgren420 Join Date: Oct 2005 Location: OZARK, MO, USA Age: 24 iTrader: (7)	if you are going to break open your block and change pistons why short yourself with standard aluminum pistons
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3-11-08, 18:47	#9 (permalink)
mazdalowandslow Join Date: May 2004 Location: , WA, USA iTrader: (0)	well im not putting the engine in mx6,its in my b2200. Im looking to do fuel and spark control. Its currently a stock motor, looking into the future of using a t3/t4 turbo upgrade.
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3-11-08, 19:42	#11 (permalink)
fredio54 Join Date: Aug 2004 Location: Auckland, New Zealand iTrader: (1)	I think it's bullshlt that they are made from a different metal. I think its stupid because the head is a poor design, and the compression ratio is at that level for the stock boost and normal gas, add boost and better gas, or leave it stock, or go na with higher compression. compression is WAY over rated, and low compression is a huge advantage with boost. ie, you will make more torque, and power more safely with the stock pistons. low n slow, got a thread of your ute? Fred.
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compnut21 Bear on the internet. Join Date: Oct 2007 Location: Olympia, WA iTrader: (5)	well i appreceate your advice, and i think ill take it. I guess ill make a thread, but its not too pretty. just a drity old stock 4ws gt
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compnut21 Bear on the internet. Join Date: Oct 2007 Location: Olympia, WA iTrader: (5)	eh, heres something i made the other day for another forum larger version http://img170.imageshack.us/img170/9316/sigpp2.jpg
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3-11-08, 21:32	#15 (permalink)
compnut21 Bear on the internet. Join Date: Oct 2007 Location: Olympia, WA iTrader: (5)	or megasquirt then upgrade to the fe3 but seriously, id like some tuneablility is all. the idea of having to burn roms or just buying some premade, preset chips is horrible to me. i like the idea of if it stutters at some rpm at some load i could adjust timing or ve some till it clears up.
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