To wrap or not to wrap

**Turk** · 11-19-07, 4:09

Searched through a few threads, seems some swear by 1 layer of header wrap while others say it is not needed. Some say that more then a layer will cause manifold/pipes to crack, some say that even 1 layer will. From where the down pipe goes near the disty, exhaust wrap looks like a must, but will it even make a difference?

What is your opinion? I didnt wrap my SSAC headers, and they lasted fine for 2 years + and now have a new owner and im sure will keep on going. The $100 or so that exhaust wrap will cost me, could be better spent on something else like my girlfreind who is getting irratated by all my attention going to the car recently.

**hgallegos915** · 11-19-07, 4:32

hmm im not using it and notice no change in temperature.. im intercooled and well weather is cold.. not sure how it will do on the summer.. get slim fans and u should be ok

**KING6** · 11-19-07, 4:46

without reading your post , Alwase rap your wienr.

after reading your post.

I only wrapped areas that were close to things that could potentially melt or get very hot and get damaged.
Other then that the pipes were so damn tight together.. wrapping them made it hard to bolt the turbo on. Wrapping them twice would have made it impossible.

**DrBrown** · 11-19-07, 10:10

I have my turbine wrapped with the DEI kit. They give you A LOT of material. You could almost do 2 turbos with wha they supply in one package. I think it was like $60?? But anyway, in Ohio it usually doesnt make much difference as far as running too hot because the temps never get that high except for maybe 1 month of the year. But my intercooler charge pipe almost lays on top of the turbine so I have my IC pipe shielded as well as the turbine wrap. Otherwise it would raise the intake temps too much.

When I went to myrtle a couple years back w/out the wrap my engine ran HOT. If you were stopped at a light it was spiking the water temp guage. The past couple summers Ive had the wrap on it and it actually got in the mid 90's a few times in Ohio and with everything shielded and wrapped it had no problems getting too hot on the IAT readings or the water temps. Only thing I dont like is when you wrap the turbine the shiny chrome looking part gets backed and it crumbles apart so it gets all charred. Other than that wrapping is FTW with me!

roskoracing77 · 11-19-07, 17:06

I had mine in my race car wraped for one year and un wraped this year, and the only difference is the heat in the engine bay. No power gain/loss

**Turk** · 11-19-07, 18:32

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Originally Posted by KING6

without reading your post , Alwase rap your wienr.

after reading your post.

I only wrapped areas that were close to things that could potentially melt or get very hot and get damaged.
Other then that the pipes were so damn tight together.. wrapping them made it hard to bolt the turbo on. Wrapping them twice would have made it impossible.

Ill take that advice, dont be a fool wrap your tool.

roskoracing, that is with your datsun or the mx6?. Im sure the datsun engine bay has alot more room to breathe.

I think I will just wrap the downpipe half way down, and maybe a bit of the uppipe.

roskoracing77 · 11-20-07, 18:31

Thats with the race car, and yah it has tons of room to do it with. My point was there is basically no performance upgrade. Maybe slight upgrade inb reliability or ease of work

**hgallegos915** · 11-21-07, 1:26

im not wrapped and my engine never gets hot.. maybe i got no thermostat or something? I got an all copper radiator tho... weird..

**fredio54** · 11-21-07, 4:14

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Originally Posted by KING6

without reading your post , Alwase rap your wienr.

LOL

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I only wrapped areas that were close to things that could potentially melt or get very hot and get damaged.

exactly. only bother if something will be damaged or set on fire by it. if thats a real issue, rerouting would be better anyway.

calculate the amount of heat lost, and the amount of heat moving through, and you will quickly see that its hardly worth the bother. if it helps other stuff not melt though... do it.

if you really care and have the dollars, send the whole lot for ceramic coating. if you expect to have to fix them, dont do that, cant weld though that stuff easily or with good results.

fred.

**Turk** · 11-21-07, 4:44

I dont really care that much and i dont have the money. I will just wrap the downpipe near the disty. Nothing else seems in harms way, and there is very little you can do to keep a KL's engine bay cool.

**KING6** · 11-21-07, 22:12

far as i know heat wrapping the turbo pipes were to keep the heat in, making the turbo more effiecient. I dont know, I remember reading that in max boost..

**pearsonmx6** · 11-21-07, 23:06

if you can afford it jet hot coating or a ceramic coating is much better and the headers and pipes will last longer

**fredio54** · 11-22-07, 8:07

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Originally Posted by fredio54

if you really care and have the dollars, send the whole lot for ceramic coating. if you expect to have to fix them, dont do that, cant weld though that stuff easily or with good results.

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Originally Posted by sik_turk

I dont really care that much and i dont have the money.

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Originally Posted by pearsonmx6

if you can afford it jet hot coating or a ceramic coating is much better and the headers and pipes will last longer

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Originally Posted by sik_turk

I dont really care that much and i dont have the money.

i guess i didnt mention that its a lot better, he is right there though, way more effective than glass wrap.

king : max boost is a giant crock of [shizzle]. many things there in are utterly wrong. its for noobs only.

**KING6** · 11-23-07, 1:52

Ive read it other places and heard it alot. No offense but id trust the book over your word.

**BrokenJohnny** · 11-23-07, 3:15

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To wrap or not to wrap

That's what she said! WOOOOOOOO!!!

(Sorry, I had to.)

11-19-07, 4:09	#1 (permalink)
Turk Veteran Join Date: Jun 2005 Location: Sydney, Australia Age: 20 iTrader: (5)	To wrap or not to wrap Searched through a few threads, seems some swear by 1 layer of header wrap while others say it is not needed. Some say that more then a layer will cause manifold/pipes to crack, some say that even 1 layer will. From where the down pipe goes near the disty, exhaust wrap looks like a must, but will it even make a difference? What is your opinion? I didnt wrap my SSAC headers, and they lasted fine for 2 years + and now have a new owner and im sure will keep on going. The $100 or so that exhaust wrap will cost me, could be better spent on something else like my girlfreind who is getting irratated by all my attention going to the car recently.
	174kw at 9psi KLDE-T

11-19-07, 4:32	#2 (permalink)
hgallegos915 Join Date: Sep 2005 Location: EL Paso, TX, USA Age: 27 iTrader: (0)	hmm im not using it and notice no change in temperature.. im intercooled and well weather is cold.. not sure how it will do on the summer.. get slim fans and u should be ok
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11-19-07, 4:46	#3 (permalink)
KING6 Join Date: Oct 2002 Location: Central, USA Age: 24 iTrader: (21)	without reading your post , Alwase rap your wienr. after reading your post. I only wrapped areas that were close to things that could potentially melt or get very hot and get damaged. Other then that the pipes were so damn tight together.. wrapping them made it hard to bolt the turbo on. Wrapping them twice would have made it impossible.
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11-19-07, 10:10	#4 (permalink)
DrBrown Join Date: Apr 2003 Location: Ohio Age: 27 iTrader: (1)	I have my turbine wrapped with the DEI kit. They give you A LOT of material. You could almost do 2 turbos with wha they supply in one package. I think it was like $60?? But anyway, in Ohio it usually doesnt make much difference as far as running too hot because the temps never get that high except for maybe 1 month of the year. But my intercooler charge pipe almost lays on top of the turbine so I have my IC pipe shielded as well as the turbine wrap. Otherwise it would raise the intake temps too much. When I went to myrtle a couple years back w/out the wrap my engine ran HOT. If you were stopped at a light it was spiking the water temp guage. The past couple summers Ive had the wrap on it and it actually got in the mid 90's a few times in Ohio and with everything shielded and wrapped it had no problems getting too hot on the IAT readings or the water temps. Only thing I dont like is when you wrap the turbine the shiny chrome looking part gets backed and it crumbles apart so it gets all charred. Other than that wrapping is FTW with me!
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11-19-07, 17:06	#5 (permalink)
roskoracing77 Join Date: Aug 2007 Location: Victoria, Canada iTrader: (0)	I had mine in my race car wraped for one year and un wraped this year, and the only difference is the heat in the engine bay. No power gain/loss
	93 mx6 v6 79 datsun 510 GONE 1988 nissan 200sx race car ims4 race car driver.

11-20-07, 18:31	#7 (permalink)
roskoracing77 Join Date: Aug 2007 Location: Victoria, Canada iTrader: (0)	Thats with the race car, and yah it has tons of room to do it with. My point was there is basically no performance upgrade. Maybe slight upgrade inb reliability or ease of work
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11-21-07, 1:26	#8 (permalink)
hgallegos915 Join Date: Sep 2005 Location: EL Paso, TX, USA Age: 27 iTrader: (0)	im not wrapped and my engine never gets hot.. maybe i got no thermostat or something? I got an all copper radiator tho... weird..
	KLZE curved neck boosted @ 5 PSI. Millenia s Inj, Cosmo AFPR, Vortech 12:1 fmu. AEM Wideband, sidemount intercooled. ONE FAST little car. ALL DONE PHYSICALLY BY ME.No shops.

11-21-07, 4:44	#10 (permalink)
Turk Veteran Join Date: Jun 2005 Location: Sydney, Australia Age: 20 iTrader: (5)	I dont really care that much and i dont have the money. I will just wrap the downpipe near the disty. Nothing else seems in harms way, and there is very little you can do to keep a KL's engine bay cool.
	174kw at 9psi KLDE-T

11-21-07, 22:12	#11 (permalink)
KING6 Join Date: Oct 2002 Location: Central, USA Age: 24 iTrader: (21)	far as i know heat wrapping the turbo pipes were to keep the heat in, making the turbo more effiecient. I dont know, I remember reading that in max boost..
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11-21-07, 23:06	#12 (permalink)
pearsonmx6 Join Date: Jan 2006 Location: kansas city, MO, USA Age: 20 iTrader: (3)	if you can afford it jet hot coating or a ceramic coating is much better and the headers and pipes will last longer
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11-23-07, 1:52	#14 (permalink)
KING6 Join Date: Oct 2002 Location: Central, USA Age: 24 iTrader: (21)	Ive read it other places and heard it alot. No offense but id trust the book over your word.
	The King OF AFTERMARKET/USED PARTS F/S F/S K6F Radiator support brackets, fuse box covers, egr block offs < 94/LS-T -possibly for sale. B.O