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Old 3-16-07, 0:07   #1 (permalink)
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So I got scammed with a gutted KLZE

So I finally decided to take off my front valve cover to paint it, and was greeted with a few unpleasant surprises.

First, in the process of removing the valve cover:


So I don't look completely stupid for not checking anything, the throttle body does in fact read KL31:


But under the valve cover is a whole different story. First, it's bad enough that the spark plugs are drowning in oil -- likely cause = crappy seal with the valve cover gaskets. Check out the blue glue.


The front three spark plugs are also drenched in oil:


Next is the camshaft that reads KL01, a.k.a. KLDE camshafts.


However, I checked the pistons, and they are indeed flat. But they're black and grimy -- are they supposed to be like that?

By the way, if I seem mechanical dumb, it's because I am. I know some stuff in theory, only because I've read it off of here.

With that said, since I now have to go through the process of making it fully KLZE'd, other than ZE camshafts, is there anything else I need?

EDIT: Confirmed it's DE heads:

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damn thas [fizzle]ed up srry to hear that

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The intake manifold seems to be KLZE material, the heads??? You can tell if you pull the intake, the ports should be rectangular on a KLZE.

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Where'd you buy the ZE from?

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Where'd you buy the ZE from?
Don't worry it's not near you

But for anyone in Ottawa or near Ottawa, it was from Japan Power -- needless to say, never EVER go there.

I will admit, I did feel really suspicious about it while I was there. And to make it worse, for the sales receipt/contract, instead of printing KLZE under "type of engine," the guy printed only "KL"

But I was thinking, I could always scan the document and photoshop the "ZE" in, then take it to them, report them to the BBB, etc. But right now, I just want to focus on getting the mechanics of my engine fixed up. Too bad I have research papers and exams between now and the end of April to bog my car work down.

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atleast its clean inside


Also oil on the spark plugs is crappy valve cover gaskets.

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Sounds like they are double dipping, you likely have a real KLZE, minus the cams that they sold at a premium elsewhere.

I think it would be real funny if your rear cams were KL31s, they are a little more work to get to.

That would mean some other person got f'd as well. Just half a set of KL31s.

BTW, do not do the photoshop thing you'll get f'd if try to do that. Be the better person and get them to do the right thing. It is usualy enough to make a big stink and state BBB complaint. Tell everyone you know and such talk will get you where you want to be. Works best when customers are in the place.

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Not all ZE cams are stamped KL-31 FYI (although mine are )

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Not all ZE cams are stamped KL-31 FYI (although mine are )
Can anyone else concur? I don't want to be buying a set of ZE cams if I don't need to...

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If you look at the back of the front head (where the IM bolts up), what's stamped there? If it's KL-1A1 then it's a DE head.

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^^^ Wouldn't I have to remove the IM to read this code?

I'm more concerned about this claim that not all ZE cams are KL-31...if so, I don't want to waste more time taking off the IM and such if I do indeed have ZE cams that are just stamped as if they're DE.

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You do not have to remove the manifold to check the heads. Just grab a flashlight and you will be able to see the stamping. Also is that a straight neck ze manifold or curved neck?
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Straight neck. And thanks, that's definitely good to know, that i don't need to remove the IM to check.

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Is that the guy on blackwell ? Im in Ottawa, too and have a KLZE for sale.
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Is that the guy on blackwell ? Im in Ottawa, too and have a KLZE for sale.
Yup, blackwell street. U may want to check the cams on urs too.

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If you look at the back of the front head (where the IM bolts up), what's stamped there? If it's KL-1A1 then it's a DE head.
Damn, yeah, I just checked it, and it's KL-1A1 on the front and KL-101 on the back.

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