4WS Probe Project

d0zxmustang · 9-13-08, 18:34

too bad it has to be parted....no title...

Im keeping all the 4ws stuff and swapping it onto my probe....

**compnut21** · 9-13-08, 18:42

sorry to tell you, but it wont swap into a non 4ws car. the rear and chassis is different to support the 4ws box.

**ugly mx6 guy** · 9-13-08, 20:02

Can you not file for a lost title or do you not have that in your state?

defiler · 9-13-08, 20:09

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sorry to tell you, but it wont swap into a non 4ws car. the rear and chassis is different to support the 4ws box.

Ive explained all that to him, but he still insists he can make it work.

THough just the fact that you will need to use the Mx6 gauge cluster and ALL the wiring from the car to swap into the Probe should have deterred him from trying to undertake the project.

**compnut21** · 9-13-08, 20:34

theres a lot that would need to be done, even more on the probe. besides the rear ends are completely different, youll need to fit both racks, some how make the gas tank and both fuel pumps fit (and the transfer pump control unit), electronics, extra sensors, ect.

sorry, it cant be done without a [fizzle] load of modding/fabricating/ect. and even then 4ws isn't worth it. its a decent feature, but its not that great.

d0zxmustang · 9-13-08, 20:41

Why not do it? I have everything here, and will have the bragging rights...nothing a little welding cant fix IF theres a differance...has anyone acually took everything out and looked to see what is differant about the mounting?...And for wiring, there isnt that much...look at the shop manual scans....If it is, so what, its not that hard to pull teh carpet and some wires....And the cluster, why? Like i cant take the 4ws steer light and mount it into a probe cluster? theres extra spots on the probes with nothing to go there...

And defiler, you have not once stated anything about the frame being differant on PP.com....

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Rear knuckles, rotors, swaybars, trailing arms, etc etc etc... sure you could swap in the WHOLE thing, but those parts are all unique, and I doubt youd even be able to find the system to swap them in (If the subframe even had the correct bolt holes, but you could always drill and tap new ones.

Honetsly, for the 1200 cars that they made with 4ws for 2 years, i HIGHLY doubt mazda would spend the extra money on tooling needed to have a differant chassis than the standard "GD"...That would be very foolish and a bad investment on there part...

**compnut21** · 9-13-08, 20:45

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Originally Posted by d0zxmustang

Why not do it? I have everything here, and will have the bragging rights...nothing a little welding cant fix IF theres a differance...has anyone acually took everything out and looked to see what is differant about the mounting?

yes, plenty have. all the rear suspension is different and the mounting points are not on the non 4ws cars. you would practically have to chop the ass off your probe and weld on the mx6 one.

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Originally Posted by d0zxmustang

...And for wiring, there isnt that much...look at the shop manual scans....If it is, so what, its not that hard to pull teh carpet and some wires

theres tons. i have the manuals and ive personally seen the insides of the harness in my car.

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....And the cluster, why? Like i cant take the 4ws steer light and mount it into a probe cluster? theres extra spots on the probes with nothing to go there...

its not about the light, theres a speed sensor in there, and another on the tranny.

d0zxmustang · 9-13-08, 20:54

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its not about the light, theres a speed sensor in there, and another on the tranny.

yea, the sensors still on the trans, and the probe has a speed sensor on the speedo as well...big whoop....

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all the rear suspension is different and the mounting points are not on the non 4ws cars.

No [shizzle] on the suspention being differant, and for the mounting points, thank god we have drills and taps IF there is amounting differance, but I am highly doubting teh uni-body is differant......

I dont know where all the hostlilty, rudeness, and anger has come from, but all i wanted to do is share a project i had in mind...compare notes, possibly swap parts if i needed something....seriously, WTF???

**compnut21** · 9-13-08, 21:12

well then have fun with that.

defiler · 9-13-08, 21:13

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And defiler, you have not once stated anything about the frame being differant on PP.com....

As far as I know, it's not. From the underside they look nearly identical. Ive been under both 2ws and 4ws models plenty of times.

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has anyone acually took everything out and looked to see what is differant about the mounting?...

Yes, I have. I told you what the differences were.

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theres tons. i have the manuals and ive personally seen the insides of the harness in my car.

Werd. The harness for the secondary fuel pump is going to be a project, along with the dash and the wiring for the 4ws controls. (Which the 4ws power runs into the engine bay fuse box, so you'll more than likely have to rewire the engine bay harness too)

If you had wanted accurate info from more than one source, you should have asked on here rather than on a Probe site

But like I said, if you want to rewire the whole car, and do a lot of fabricating, more power to you. It would be a cool car in the end, but it'll take hundreds of hours of work.

And BTW, there was only one "IF" in there, and no uncertain-ness. I was hypothetically saying that even if for some reason the bolt holes lined up (Which they dont) that you wouldnt be able to find the parts. Well, you proved me wrong on the parts issue. No biggie.

**Wibla** · 9-14-08, 9:17

I'd much rather try to get a title on the mx6 than having to butcher a working probe AND a working mx6 to build a 4ws probe, which is pretty much impossible to start with.

You have NO idea how much wiring and other stuff that goes into the total 4ws system.

**jphillips626** · 9-14-08, 10:11

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Originally Posted by Wibla

I'd much rather try to get a title on the mx6 than having to butcher a working probe AND a working mx6 to build a 4ws probe, which is pretty much impossible to start with.

You have NO idea how much wiring and other stuff that goes into the total 4ws system.

Wibla is right, this is a foiled project that will never be finished. In the end you'll realize what we are all saying.

I have owned more 4ws cars then anyone else here and probably done more work to them then a dedicated mazda mechanic. What i see hear is a disaster from the start. You should just sell the car to me. I would do what ever it takes to title the car. The frames are so different i hope you are some kind of mechanical genius.

Call me in a few months when everything is apart and you realize your mistake. I'll sort it out for ya!

**jphillips626** · 9-14-08, 10:15

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Originally Posted by d0zxmustang

too bad it has to be parted....no title...

Im keeping all the 4ws stuff and swapping it onto my probe....

Looks like a beautiful specimen. Why part it? How did you buy it without a title? What state? you should be able to get it titled no problem . Why buy a car if no title?

Are you sure it isn't stolen? How?

**B2000caleb** · 9-14-08, 13:38

that car is way to nice to start chopping up. If you are dead set on building a 4ws probe, sell that one and find a pos in the salvage yard or something. I for see this being one of those projects were you take two running cars and make them two non running cars. Im not trying to flame you but its honestley just not worth it.

d0zxmustang · 9-14-08, 16:21

The car is not stolen, the vin as been ran by police...the cars title has just been lost as it was passed through a few differant people, all who bought the car for parts but eventually changed directions with their various personal lifes.....

I have no intrest in driving this car...My opinion, but the mx6 just doesnt do it for me in the styleing department...yes, the probe probley would be here without it, but the mx6 isnt for me...i bought the car specifically for the 4ws system, thats it.....

Moving on, here is pics to prove what i was saying about the acual uni-body of the probe and mx6-4ws are the same, only the sub-frames are differant...The acual mounting points for the sub-frame to uni-body are the same, and with the same bolt spacing...the only differance is the mx6 uses studs, the probe bolts....nothing a trip to the hardware store can fix....

Not sure if you guys were referring to the sub-frame when you were saying the "frame", if you were, yes they are differant, i knew that the whole time

But if you were saying everything (unibodys, mounts, etc) was differant, sorry, but you are wrong....

MX6-4WS

Probe

Back to wiring, everything that i have looked at on the car in referance to the 4ws system is its own harness...outside of a few tie ins for 12v/grounds, and a fuse in the main fuse block...nothing that cant be simply swapped...

9-13-08, 18:34	#1 (permalink)
d0zxmustang Join Date: Jan 2007 Location: , NC, USA Age: 21 iTrader: (1)	4WS Probe Project too bad it has to be parted....no title... Im keeping all the 4ws stuff and swapping it onto my probe....

9-13-08, 18:42	#2 (permalink)
compnut21 words under name Join Date: Oct 2007 Location: Olympia, WA iTrader: (7)	sorry to tell you, but it wont swap into a non 4ws car. the rear and chassis is different to support the 4ws box.
	89 GT 4WS/Megasquirt/FE3 Needs blinker fluid. My FE3T Project 89 GT Partout!

9-13-08, 20:34	#5 (permalink)
compnut21 words under name Join Date: Oct 2007 Location: Olympia, WA iTrader: (7)	theres a lot that would need to be done, even more on the probe. besides the rear ends are completely different, youll need to fit both racks, some how make the gas tank and both fuel pumps fit (and the transfer pump control unit), electronics, extra sensors, ect. sorry, it cant be done without a [fizzle] load of modding/fabricating/ect. and even then 4ws isn't worth it. its a decent feature, but its not that great.
	89 GT 4WS/Megasquirt/FE3 Needs blinker fluid. My FE3T Project 89 GT Partout!

9-13-08, 21:12	#9 (permalink)
compnut21 words under name Join Date: Oct 2007 Location: Olympia, WA iTrader: (7)	well then have fun with that.
	89 GT 4WS/Megasquirt/FE3 Needs blinker fluid. My FE3T Project 89 GT Partout!

9-14-08, 9:17	#11 (permalink)
Wibla 4ws newbie Join Date: May 2007 Location: Telemark, Norway Age: 24 iTrader: (0)	I'd much rather try to get a title on the mx6 than having to butcher a working probe AND a working mx6 to build a 4ws probe, which is pretty much impossible to start with. You have NO idea how much wiring and other stuff that goes into the total 4ws system.
	'88 Mazda 626 2.0i-16 4ws

9-13-08, 20:02	#3 (permalink)
ugly mx6 guy Join Date: Jan 2007 Location: Knoxville, TN, USA Age: 45 iTrader: (3)	Can you not file for a lost title or do you not have that in your state?

9-14-08, 13:38	#14 (permalink)
B2000caleb Join Date: Aug 2006 Location: Soddy Daisy, TN, USA iTrader: (0)	that car is way to nice to start chopping up. If you are dead set on building a 4ws probe, sell that one and find a pos in the salvage yard or something. I for see this being one of those projects were you take two running cars and make them two non running cars. Im not trying to flame you but its honestley just not worth it.
	http://http://www.cardomain.com/ride/2740234 AMSOIL Dealer

9-14-08, 16:21	#15 (permalink)
d0zxmustang Join Date: Jan 2007 Location: , NC, USA Age: 21 iTrader: (1)	The car is not stolen, the vin as been ran by police...the cars title has just been lost as it was passed through a few differant people, all who bought the car for parts but eventually changed directions with their various personal lifes..... I have no intrest in driving this car...My opinion, but the mx6 just doesnt do it for me in the styleing department...yes, the probe probley would be here without it, but the mx6 isnt for me...i bought the car specifically for the 4ws system, thats it..... Moving on, here is pics to prove what i was saying about the acual uni-body of the probe and mx6-4ws are the same, only the sub-frames are differant...The acual mounting points for the sub-frame to uni-body are the same, and with the same bolt spacing...the only differance is the mx6 uses studs, the probe bolts....nothing a trip to the hardware store can fix.... Not sure if you guys were referring to the sub-frame when you were saying the "frame", if you were, yes they are differant, i knew that the whole time But if you were saying everything (unibodys, mounts, etc) was differant, sorry, but you are wrong.... MX6-4WS Probe Back to wiring, everything that i have looked at on the car in referance to the 4ws system is its own harness...outside of a few tie ins for 12v/grounds, and a fuse in the main fuse block...nothing that cant be simply swapped...