the strange places KLZE's turn up... - Page 2

**stoker100** · 11-20-05, 3:49

dont forget me! http://members.optusnet.com.au/dstojko/pro4.JPG
http://members.optusnet.com.au/dstojko/KLZEprobe.jpg

not really strange but not many ZE probes about the place.

**Baja Wes** · 11-20-05, 20:40

sorry, a probe just isn't a strange enough place

**stoker100** · 6-4-06, 3:17

yeah i know, esp in the US. In Australia as far as i know im the only one. the KL's a pretty good engine and the proof is in the pudding (it being used in so many various cars).

**Turk** · 6-4-06, 6:26

I cant wait for a KLZE to show up in my engine bay but NOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOO
OOOOOOOOOO!!!!!!!!!!!!

Crazy importers. Yer we got one for you its in a car now we will pull it out , oh wait sorry didnt pass compression test we will keep looking. GRRR!! (just venting frustration coz my mates are sick of hearing it)

**NiN^_^NiN** · 6-6-06, 1:44

You can build up the KLDE to have the same compression as the KLZE with some 300zx cams and GM rods some US probe guys have been doing it and its not bad its actually cheaper than a KLZE i havent seen any dyno's yet so who knows how close it runs to a KLZE.

Just another thought if u really want the extra power

**Turk** · 6-6-06, 4:40

Im not just going for the power. The realibilty of having a much newer engine really gets me. And i dont feel like fixing my VRIS, HLA's , Rear RCG gasgets etc etc. It is for a future investment also, im keeping this car for long long time

. And besides, i allready spent $80 on da EPROM chip

**NiN^_^NiN** · 6-6-06, 19:24

Well im keeping me probe for ages i might be getting an air car for work and other places 200kms on 3mins of air from the petrol station

But the buildup of the DE is probably a good idea as it has good power and is bored out to 2.7 and is reliable as the stock DE why bother trying to find a ZE when u can mod the orignal motor and make it faster than a ZE for the same price

I will be doing this later on it the probes life when i buy another one

**Contempo** · 6-6-06, 19:36

KLZE in 95 626 *shrugs*

**cam22t** · 11-1-07, 23:24

To rwd the KL, can we put together a build list of what parts are needed.

EG, i hear that the non turbo RX7 bell fits near enough, but i also hear that one bolt may need to be drilled etc.

My questions are, from what year models do the parts come from and what is required to make them fit ?

I am sourcing parts to rwd one into a 95 Navara 4x2. Who can point me in the right direction ?

**Selva** · 11-11-07, 16:32

what about the 929 V6 models??? are they KL powered??? i dont know all that much about the KL's as well, i haven't had one to tinker with, but i saw a 929 about the same year as the GE's which had a quad cam V6 in it, would that have been a KL? or the earlier 929's V6???

**Baja Wes** · 11-11-07, 21:13

I didn't think anything bolted to it directly. I think the guy with the HR said he went with the Rx7 box because he thought it would fit, but it didn't. I think.

The grand vitara's are supposed to be KL based, but they look completely different so probably have a different bellhousing too.

**Baja Wes** · 11-11-07, 22:12

I dug through my old emails from Anthony regarding his KL powered HR ute.

"Just like the baja,addapter plate and a custom adapter from the crank to the flywheel so the starter can be put in from the rear in beside the rx7 series 5 box. Its a Mazda clutch, but we use a Holden die frame to stiffen the clutch up. "

**cam22t** · 11-12-07, 3:43

Wes if you have some time around Christmas, can you stop in one day and help me nut this out.

I am picking up a complete 93 TX5 for parts this weekend. Then i plan to get together all the bits i need to finish this off.
The plan is to paint the ute, rego the ute, KL V6 the ute and then boost it.

To be realistic, i am going to buy a series4/5 rx7 turbo gearbox and then make up the adapter. I guess using the nissan box would be an option, but i dont think it will be strong enough in the long run.

Time to find some alloy for the adapter. Was it S&M at Lawnton that you found your peice from ?

Anyway, thx for your feedback so far.

Craig.

**fredio54** · 11-12-07, 5:51

the nissan box isnt a bad box craig. its the same basic box found in all 5 speed silvias and all na 2wd skylines and the turbo 2l skylines. its comparable to the smaller mazda rwd box for weight and size, but its got a steel bearing plate and i suspect wider gears. they come with as much as 250hp hanging from them.

its possible that you have the larger nissan box, if so, thats the same as the gtr/gts25t in guts (but not ratios) and is stronger than the mazda turbo box like mine.

if you arent going to turbo the kl, then any of the nissan or mazda rwd boxs will be ok. if you are going to turbo it, steer clear of the smaller mazda one.

there is nothing to stop you engineering your own starter mount for normal mode operation at the same time as whatever adapter plate you make. i personally hate the idea of spacing the flywheel away from the crank. especially if you are front engine rwd and value the use of your legs.

i'd put my box choice down to what sort of ratios i wanted. if ute ratios were ok or good, i'd stick nissan. if they are less than preferable, you could swap in skyline gears, or go mazda or even toyota w5x series.

hope thats useful for you :-)

fred.

ps, i just love that mx5. i found it the other day after searching for kl rwd and thinking about a really light car (300kg lighter than the mx5) that would take the kl and make good use of it. i can get a klze cheap as chips in nz because of their prevalence in all the ugly poorly made mazda luxury sedans that no one maintains and are constantly falling of the road.

**fredio54** · 11-12-07, 5:59

also, like nick just reminded me to mention :-p

you could just use the bell (auto or manual) from the fwd box and weld it to the rwd bell base. you have to be accurate, but otherwise, its a good option. i'd recommend welding fins down the side of the bell over the join to strengthen it as they have been known to explode from high torque and abuse.

fred.

11-20-05, 3:49	#16 (permalink)
stoker100 Join Date: Mar 2004 Location: Adelaide, Australia Age: 25 iTrader: (0)	dont forget me! http://members.optusnet.com.au/dstojko/pro4.JPG http://members.optusnet.com.au/dstojko/KLZEprobe.jpg not really strange but not many ZE probes about the place.
	95 ZE MTX PROBE, mod list got too long, just checkout my http://www.cardomain.com/ride/2260938 instead.

11-20-05, 20:40	#17 (permalink)
Baja Wes Join Date: Jul 2002 Location: Brisbane, QLD, Australia Age: 30 iTrader: (0)	sorry, a probe just isn't a strange enough place
	1968 VW Baja, KLZE engine 0-100kph=6.3s taking it easy... I'll whip you all, on the sand www.offroadvw.net/bajawes

6-4-06, 3:17	#18 (permalink)
stoker100 Join Date: Mar 2004 Location: Adelaide, Australia Age: 25 iTrader: (0)	yeah i know, esp in the US. In Australia as far as i know im the only one. the KL's a pretty good engine and the proof is in the pudding (it being used in so many various cars).
	95 ZE MTX PROBE, mod list got too long, just checkout my http://www.cardomain.com/ride/2260938 instead.

6-4-06, 6:26	#19 (permalink)
Turk Veteran Join Date: Jun 2005 Location: Sydney, Australia Age: 20 iTrader: (1)	I cant wait for a KLZE to show up in my engine bay but NOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOO OOOOOOOOOO!!!!!!!!!!!! Crazy importers. Yer we got one for you its in a car now we will pull it out , oh wait sorry didnt pass compression test we will keep looking. GRRR!! (just venting frustration coz my mates are sick of hearing it)
	Turbo charged, intercooled and Megasquirted KLZE -RB25DET injectors and other boost related goodies - Custom PP Exedy HD Clutch - 2.5" turboback - DBA Slotted x4, EBC Greens - 17" Superlight forged Regamaster Rims - My car (before turbo) http://www.mx6.com/forums/gallery/19...56k-no-go.html

6-6-06, 1:44	#20 (permalink)
NiN^_^NiN Join Date: Mar 2005 Location: Melbourne, Australia iTrader: (0)	You can build up the KLDE to have the same compression as the KLZE with some 300zx cams and GM rods some US probe guys have been doing it and its not bad its actually cheaper than a KLZE i havent seen any dyno's yet so who knows how close it runs to a KLZE. Just another thought if u really want the extra power
	The "PIMP MY PROBE" Project Status: Engine Bay Dress up Latest Update: Engine Has Been Powder Coated Silver next is Silver braided hoses in engine bay

6-6-06, 4:40	#21 (permalink)
Turk Veteran Join Date: Jun 2005 Location: Sydney, Australia Age: 20 iTrader: (1)	Im not just going for the power. The realibilty of having a much newer engine really gets me. And i dont feel like fixing my VRIS, HLA's , Rear RCG gasgets etc etc. It is for a future investment also, im keeping this car for long long time . And besides, i allready spent $80 on da EPROM chip
	Turbo charged, intercooled and Megasquirted KLZE -RB25DET injectors and other boost related goodies - Custom PP Exedy HD Clutch - 2.5" turboback - DBA Slotted x4, EBC Greens - 17" Superlight forged Regamaster Rims - My car (before turbo) http://www.mx6.com/forums/gallery/19...56k-no-go.html

6-6-06, 19:24	#22 (permalink)
NiN^_^NiN Join Date: Mar 2005 Location: Melbourne, Australia iTrader: (0)	Well im keeping me probe for ages i might be getting an air car for work and other places 200kms on 3mins of air from the petrol station But the buildup of the DE is probably a good idea as it has good power and is bored out to 2.7 and is reliable as the stock DE why bother trying to find a ZE when u can mod the orignal motor and make it faster than a ZE for the same price I will be doing this later on it the probes life when i buy another one
	The "PIMP MY PROBE" Project Status: Engine Bay Dress up Latest Update: Engine Has Been Powder Coated Silver next is Silver braided hoses in engine bay

6-6-06, 19:36	#23 (permalink)
Contempo Join Date: Mar 2005 Location: Perth, Australia Age: 21 iTrader: (1)	KLZE in 95 626 shrugs
	[ CONTEMPO - 626 KLZE-T ]

11-1-07, 23:24	#24 (permalink)
cam22t Join Date: Jan 2002 Location: Brisbane, Australia iTrader: (1)	To rwd the KL, can we put together a build list of what parts are needed. EG, i hear that the non turbo RX7 bell fits near enough, but i also hear that one bolt may need to be drilled etc. My questions are, from what year models do the parts come from and what is required to make them fit ? I am sourcing parts to rwd one into a 95 Navara 4x2. Who can point me in the right direction ?
	89 MX6. 4WS. FE DOHC Turbo. Garrett GT2876r Turbo. Wiesco Forgies. EMS 8860 ECU. 3 Inch Exhaust. Torsen Diff. 2500lb RX7 Clutch. 18 inch Rays Sebring ITC-S wheels. Cusco Camber Plates and Coilovers. Bosch 044 Pump. 750cc Injectors. 13.9 @ 106mph on my slippery 18's. 310hp (227kw) atw's

11-11-07, 21:13	#26 (permalink)
Baja Wes Join Date: Jul 2002 Location: Brisbane, QLD, Australia Age: 30 iTrader: (0)	I didn't think anything bolted to it directly. I think the guy with the HR said he went with the Rx7 box because he thought it would fit, but it didn't. I think. The grand vitara's are supposed to be KL based, but they look completely different so probably have a different bellhousing too.
	1968 VW Baja, KLZE engine 0-100kph=6.3s taking it easy... I'll whip you all, on the sand www.offroadvw.net/bajawes

11-11-07, 22:12	#27 (permalink)
Baja Wes Join Date: Jul 2002 Location: Brisbane, QLD, Australia Age: 30 iTrader: (0)	I dug through my old emails from Anthony regarding his KL powered HR ute. "Just like the baja,addapter plate and a custom adapter from the crank to the flywheel so the starter can be put in from the rear in beside the rx7 series 5 box. Its a Mazda clutch, but we use a Holden die frame to stiffen the clutch up. "
	1968 VW Baja, KLZE engine 0-100kph=6.3s taking it easy... I'll whip you all, on the sand www.offroadvw.net/bajawes

11-12-07, 3:43	#28 (permalink)
cam22t Join Date: Jan 2002 Location: Brisbane, Australia iTrader: (1)	Wes if you have some time around Christmas, can you stop in one day and help me nut this out. I am picking up a complete 93 TX5 for parts this weekend. Then i plan to get together all the bits i need to finish this off. The plan is to paint the ute, rego the ute, KL V6 the ute and then boost it. To be realistic, i am going to buy a series4/5 rx7 turbo gearbox and then make up the adapter. I guess using the nissan box would be an option, but i dont think it will be strong enough in the long run. Time to find some alloy for the adapter. Was it S&M at Lawnton that you found your peice from ? Anyway, thx for your feedback so far. Craig.
	89 MX6. 4WS. FE DOHC Turbo. Garrett GT2876r Turbo. Wiesco Forgies. EMS 8860 ECU. 3 Inch Exhaust. Torsen Diff. 2500lb RX7 Clutch. 18 inch Rays Sebring ITC-S wheels. Cusco Camber Plates and Coilovers. Bosch 044 Pump. 750cc Injectors. 13.9 @ 106mph on my slippery 18's. 310hp (227kw) atw's

11-12-07, 5:51	#29 (permalink)
fredio54 Join Date: Aug 2004 Location: Auckland, New Zealand iTrader: (1)	the nissan box isnt a bad box craig. its the same basic box found in all 5 speed silvias and all na 2wd skylines and the turbo 2l skylines. its comparable to the smaller mazda rwd box for weight and size, but its got a steel bearing plate and i suspect wider gears. they come with as much as 250hp hanging from them. its possible that you have the larger nissan box, if so, thats the same as the gtr/gts25t in guts (but not ratios) and is stronger than the mazda turbo box like mine. if you arent going to turbo the kl, then any of the nissan or mazda rwd boxs will be ok. if you are going to turbo it, steer clear of the smaller mazda one. there is nothing to stop you engineering your own starter mount for normal mode operation at the same time as whatever adapter plate you make. i personally hate the idea of spacing the flywheel away from the crank. especially if you are front engine rwd and value the use of your legs. i'd put my box choice down to what sort of ratios i wanted. if ute ratios were ok or good, i'd stick nissan. if they are less than preferable, you could swap in skyline gears, or go mazda or even toyota w5x series. hope thats useful for you :-) fred. ps, i just love that mx5. i found it the other day after searching for kl rwd and thinking about a really light car (300kg lighter than the mx5) that would take the kl and make good use of it. i can get a klze cheap as chips in nz because of their prevalence in all the ugly poorly made mazda luxury sedans that no one maintains and are constantly falling of the road.
	DIYEFI.org - TRUE DIY engine management Mazda FE3/FE-DOHC Master Index Thread (work in progress) Mazda truck with FE-DOHC/FE3 "BIG like your house" Holset Turbo drinking 2.2 litres of fuel per minute ~= 385hp crank RIP SleepCounter :-( we will miss you! - RIP fredio54 :-( will we miss you?

11-12-07, 5:59	#30 (permalink)
fredio54 Join Date: Aug 2004 Location: Auckland, New Zealand iTrader: (1)	also, like nick just reminded me to mention :-p you could just use the bell (auto or manual) from the fwd box and weld it to the rwd bell base. you have to be accurate, but otherwise, its a good option. i'd recommend welding fins down the side of the bell over the join to strengthen it as they have been known to explode from high torque and abuse. fred.
	DIYEFI.org - TRUE DIY engine management Mazda FE3/FE-DOHC Master Index Thread (work in progress) Mazda truck with FE-DOHC/FE3 "BIG like your house" Holset Turbo drinking 2.2 litres of fuel per minute ~= 385hp crank RIP SleepCounter :-( we will miss you! - RIP fredio54 :-( will we miss you?