SCAT Rods Bulk Buy Scam or How not to run a BB on mx6.com - Page 3

**Casejunkie** · 7-20-08, 12:41

Goatgrapp: I can send you mine and him e-mail but there is notting in it what not is been posted here.

Sixsick6: Dutch would be a good option. Hope to hear soon what will happen.

**Dutch** · 7-20-08, 12:41

well, ill just wait for an answer.
im not making accusations. i just want this bb to end. with or without rods.
again.. people pay.. have some patience.. but how long does man have to wait for the products??? this cant be true we need to wait for everyone to pay. cause again.. thats not going to happen.
ive had lots of people told me to buy an FST back in the days i sold those.
ive ran 3 series.. and some of those never bought one but told me every time they would.

**Goatcrapp** · 7-20-08, 12:45

Casejunkie, I'm more interested in the headers. please send to goatcrapp (at) gmail.com when you get the chance.

Thank you.

**PGTF2T** · 7-20-08, 23:47

im wondering if we send money to a new memember to continue bulk buy how much money we will loose on transaction? why not let him finish, get a new guy? or get Stroker to send directly to Scat, and the "new" guy to send the other amount instead of wasting a [shizzle] load of money to allow a "new" guy to do it.

i personally dont think hes scamming anyone, just some dumba$$ people arent paying. what is he supposed to do if people dont pay? waiting is the only thing. ive paid in full and i just want my rods. im in no rush but i know others are. like shwine or STW.

**STW** · 7-21-08, 9:57

This BB needs drastic actions to be saved now. If there are words "bulk buy" and "scam" on the topic title, it really doesn't matter what the rest of it says, a lot of people will get put off, which is what we can't have. How ever the deal is going to continue (I hope it will, there is already few thousand $'s put into it!) the bb's reputation and credibility needs pretty much to be rebuilt. I trust Stroker, but after this it's hard to think many people would.

What is a fact SCAT doesn't have a paypal account that we could individually pay to, and they aren't going to trouble themselves to make one either (and I pretty much understand that). I wonder if the AutoForums have the devices to set up a group account with transactions traced to the participants, and if not, are there not other options available. Also, arranging the technical side is only half of the problem. With signed on people dropping out without as much a simple sorry, getting all the buyers committed into the actual purchase it is another tall obstacle.

The most daring proposition would be a bulk purchase by a small number of people (like three people buying 15 sets each, or five people and nine sets) and then trying the get them sold. The rods would end up slightly more expensive, and depending to the firs buyer group, the cost could trickle down to the final byuers. The risk of people ending up with sets left unsold is the only way of going around the minimum order demand. Unfortunately the company won't go for an order under their minimum batch size. It's a logistical and manufacturing thing, and while unwieldy for the casual buyer, a necessity for the business management. I'm pretty sure they won't be happy with a number of rods on their hands they are not expecting to sell either. The risks are obvious; some might sell all while some might face financial problems having very hard time selling their stock, even if at reasonable price. The revenue service could also be interested in the affair.

What I'm forced to consider doing next is to order my rods from elsewhere (there's a place that makes them in private buyer quantities, but they're quite a bit more pricey than SCAT) and then wait for the BB to hopefully come through, so I could try to sell the rods to cover for losses. It's not really an option whether I want to use the new rods or the originals, I pretty much must have them. But for what it's worth, I could be in the five, though not in the three.

**chief tool** · 7-21-08, 18:44

I tend to agree, though I am not sure how many people would be in this position.
But I wonder where those members who have paid already would be willing to buy a few extra sets, and then sell them down the track.

I would probably be in a position to lift my order from 1 to 3, so its got half a chance of making the 45 sets assuming that those who havent paid arent going to.

I am negotiating with Stroker and the Mods to take this over.... I have spoken with Stroker.....So we will see if we can revive this BB...

**STW** · 7-22-08, 7:58

I'm wondering if nine people with five sets would be doable. I'm practically there; I've ordered four sets already (two of them to be delivered to another byuer), and I don't think it would be too difficult for me to sell a fifth set; there's been some interest. Anyway, it's much easier to sell the rods if you actually have them. Then there's always eBay.

As an interesting bit of trivia, the one set I'm considering buying from alternative source will set me back $1432, while five sets from the bb is about $1300 (though for me, after freight, duty and tax, probably around $1800).

**fredio54** · 7-22-08, 7:58

Believe it or not, I may be able to be in on this soonish, but I still may not want to (400hp may be enough afterall) I have a second interview today, the first one went well, so I should have work soon. If I did go in on this, I'd have them sent to Rob in the states so he could inspect them for me as shipping them here would be A dumb B expensive C useless.

I'll have to think about whether I want to build a stroker or rev higher than 7500 or boost higher than 20psi, if the answer to all 3 is no, I'm still out.

PM time.

**bakmans** · 7-23-08, 17:32

must say that i dont think stroker is a scammer. i do also run a small buisness and i know what its like to be buisy and also dont always have the time to answer replies. but as i read the ts post it sounds a bit like suspicious behavior and think its a good thing the mods here ae watching out for our money.
hope to see the buy go through and for the sake of that want to ask people to keep on paying. if stroker is willing to hand over the money he shows hes not a scammer and the matter would be solved wouldn't it??
so lets just hand over it and keep everybody who orderd paying!!!

**bpt323** · 7-25-08, 4:15

Id be willing to pick up the cost for a second set, thats my limit of what i can afford tho.

Coming from the perspective of owner/administer of Clubprotege.com

Goatcrapp- you have some good points but your action of banning stroker was foolish. & secondly calling him out for making an alternative account in a chance to defend himself is also foolish. christ sake he even posted a contact phone number.
From an admin's perspective i stand by for protecting my members as best as possible. via perspective of paypal, the loss of fee's for transferring funds will surely set back progress even further. Let alone placing the fact that paypal usually can't do [shizzle] for customers to return their money. Its best said to let the group buy continue as best it can.
I personally have already paid for half of 1 set. I trust stroker & understand that the majority of GB participants have not come through with their end of payment. blaming him for holding money is uncalled for.

I believe the title of this thread NEED's to be changed as it negatively reflects the group buy & does put an un-needed scare to the folks who are involved. or those who were thinking about paying.

do rethink this entire thread.

Ryan

**Goatcrapp** · 7-25-08, 10:30

bpt - foolish? He was told "you will be banned if you don't do x, y, and z, to make the mod and administration staff comfortable with this bulk buy"

or did you merely skim through?

further more, he was told that after being asked nicely, several times by several people about information this bulk buy. *a bulk buy that was conducted against the rules of the site in a tech forum, thereby bypassing the protections we have in place.*

or perhaps you skimmed over that as well?

Finally, when he did reply - he didn't answer a single question asked of him.. He didn't offer any assurances, info, or anything of relevance.. he merely told us to "get [fizzle]ed"

His other account was him pretending to be someone else. Did you perhaps miss that as well? He only backpedaled after being called out.

foolish? really? lol. your myopic, blinded by hope, and trust in someone who is certainly acting shady is foolish.

Please tell me, what would you have done with one of your members, given all of the above behavior? We've had quite a few high profile scams on this site. i'd rather be too careful, and hurt people's soft feelings.. than not be careful enough, and watch them all lose their money. I'm glad you trust stroker. I don't trust anyone until they've earned it, and he's given ME no reason to. Until he does, the stance on this issue will not change.

If you feel like hosting the bulk buy on your own site - I invite you to do so. It doesn't change the fact that if the money doesn't come through, the account stays banned.

In fact - maybe i'll just stop now. I won't make any further attempts to help you guys get your bulk buy going again OR money back.. and when you lose it all, and come crying.. i'll say [fizzle] off to each and every one of you... since all i see is complaining lol.

Either way - the bulk buy as it stands now is done. it will have to be recreated and passed through the proper channels on this site to earn a place in the bulk buy forum... or it can be held on another site ( a lot of people will have opinions, but almost no one has actually stepped up to the plate- typical)

Even if he isn't a scammer, he sure does act like one. You all seem to think i have some hard on about making this thing fail. My only interest here is in getting your money back on a deal that looks far far away from ever succeeding.

The title stays, and the account remains banned until there is something more than fluff as an assurance that the money is in good hands.. His new account will be banned soon too, so i suggest you guys come up with a solution.

**Zach** · 7-25-08, 11:01

Update:

I've sent an email to Chief Tool and Stroker06. Seems that the Stroker account is not accepting PM's right now. But besides that, I'm extending the offer to take over the Bulk Buy and the money that has been collected. This way, regular members can won't be held accountable, and the mod staff running this will be accountable to everyone. I already have everything in place to take on the monies that have already been received.

The deadline is Monday June 28th @ 4pm PST.

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Hey Adrian, thanks for being a stand up guy. But I believe it's best that the moderators take control of this bulk buy, as it has gotten clearly out of hand, and for what it seems to be, for a while.

Stroker:

Here is my paypal: mypaypalemail

Please paypal this money before 4PM PST on Monday, July 28th, that's roughly 72 hours.

I will be keeping everyone who is involved in the bulkbuy updated.

If either one of you needs to get a hold of me, my primary email is: mypersonalemail

Thanks for understanding!

Zach

**bpt323** · 7-25-08, 13:27

goatcrapp, i understand mx6.com forums may hold specific rules to selling/trading/groupbuy's upon this forum.

Stroker of all people involved has little to no involvement in setting up the inital buy. he had only intially taken it upon himself to donate part of his personal funds to get a jump on progress.
The members are the ones who CHOOSE to elect him as the secretary of treasury for this situation
Personally speaking the moderation of threads on this forum has been poor @ best. not calling you in particular but as a whole. If you really forsaw an issue with this group buy, how come it wasn't stopped to begin with. If you note, a group buy that i attempted to get organized was first directed to MX6 staff. plainly speaking the entire forum is being "skimmed over" & there isn't a hard handed role being laid down.

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Let alone placing the fact that paypal usually can't do [shizzle] for customers to return their money. Its best said to let the group buy continue as best it can.

quoting myself again. you give too much credit to paypal to begin with. I've been scammed & ripped off a small number of times as have many others. each time i've seen zero return of what i've lost. The average user rely's to heavily upon paypal's false hopes of security. If we sent money, we've already realized the % chance of a scam. ever think about that perspective?
it seems as if your giving into hope that you as a moderator have some magical power to make a high standing US bank give back a "x" amount of money to a handful of indivuals. As a moderator & not a police official you have zero power to do or make anyone do anything in regards to money transferrs. this parade about trying to save us the headache of being ripped off so far has drug on for 3 pages & has zero to show for change. Let the members handle it instead of sticking your nose into things from here on out please.

you & the rest of members involved or those who feel it best to transfer money to yet another party may do so. but understand the fees associated. If you figure out a way to get that money back without taxing the people more, then i will back you 100%.

Until then, banning a member regardless of his replies or lack thereof who has a significant amount of members money is the most twisted idea ever. i personally dont' care if the staff here is on a powertrip to uphold the rules, common sense should still come into play.

By all means i extend my own forum for hosting this group buy if the "scat rod group buy members" deem. We do have a strict moderation staff. & all forsale/trade/groupbuy thread transactions are monitored from the time of thread creation. I have a high standing & can be vouched for.

Stroker, you may contact me personally if you have any thoughts at all you would like to share with me or any other member. if you cannot find my contact information. you can always reach me on clubprotege.com

Regards to the mx6 community,

Ryan

**Casejunkie** · 7-25-08, 13:29

Zach:

Can you tell us what you are going to do if you recieve the money? (in terms of speeding up the proces and let the persons how haven't paid yet)

**Zach** · 7-25-08, 13:35

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Originally Posted by Casejunkie

Zach:

Can you tell us what you are going to do if you recieve the money? (in terms of speeding up the proces and let the persons how haven't paid yet)

First, I'm going to call Scat to make sure this will still happen, when I receive this information (what needs to be done), then I'm going to get a dollar amount as to what it will be to get the ball rolling. I will be hitting up the members who haven't paid, and if they don't respond or back out, and if the rest of the money can't be ponied up, then I will be dispersing reimbursements. Hopefully we are close to getting the production up and going.