Another reason why Nascar sucks!!

**Scatman95** · 2-22-08, 20:09

I need to vent. About an hour ago, i read an article that couldnt have made the day any worse. In ChampCar's stupidity, they today merged with the IRL in an effort to help regain national interest in open wheel racing. While i thouroughly enjoy ChampCar, and IRL (somewhat), this has to be the dumbest decision since GWB was put into office.

First of all, this merger comes too little, too late. Nacscar and its band of drunken rednecks, restrictor plates, "aerodynamic spoilers" and bumper drafting have already taken over this country, in the same way obesity has. There is no way this merger will even come close to putting up the kind of money and fan support that Nascar has.

Second, and most important of all, ChampCar will no longer be coming to Road America or any respectable road or street course again. They will now have to suffer the long boring ovals, race in and race out. ChampCar's Road America venue is easily one, if not the best, weekend in the nation. Both CC and American LeMans series run the entire weekend along with Star Mazda, CC Atlantic Series and Formula BMW. I will now have to venture down to the crappy Milwaukee Mile to see my favorite racing, which won't even really be racing anways.

ChampCar at least makes it exiting with turbocharged Cosworth V8s, eventhough they all ran the same chassis, raced on road coarses and run on methanol. the IRl is nowhere near that, N/A Honda V8s on mostly oval tracks, but they do run ethanol.

This is what i think, chime in as u wish. All i can say is that i will only be seeing 1 great venue at Road America this year thanks to the one thing that runs many peoples lives, MONEY.

**A Simple MX6** · 2-22-08, 20:27

Eh, I guess Nascar is better on the ovals, cause they're where they show their true power as a car.
*Shrugs* I've always been unimpressed with their speed on a road course, for their power, you expect them to, once they get on the accelerator going out of a turn, to be long gone, ya know? They can hit 200mph with a restrictor plate, but can't do something of the same caliber of power on a road course. =(
But then again, I've always compared them to other forms of racing, and their cars are generally slower, but they're still more famous.

Eh, Indy's been doing better in our area, now coming to RIR, beforehand had I mentioned that series of racing, people would go "lolwut?", but now at least they raise an eyebrow when I say I would rather get in there than Nascar, if I got in any form of racing, since they at least know what it is now.

But, they can never put up an argument when I say that they're faster than Nascar..

But, on the offhand, at least people still enjoy auto-racing, in any form at least.
But, I half wonder, will the D1 series be able to compete with Nascar in a few years? It's growing more and more popular, even if it's just as loud and obnoxious. (So I've heard from my friends, from tires squeeling ALL DAY at a drift event.)

But yeah, it is a shame that money can be the downfall of things that are totally worthwhile, in ANY area of life, but it's the world, and well..

I've always hated quite a few aspects of it.

**pearsonmx6** · 2-22-08, 21:22

YouTube - Jeff Dunham and Bubba J

listen to what this guy has to say about nascar

**Mx6kRaZy_03** · 2-22-08, 21:27

Reminds me of a guy I work with (not comparing this guy to you, just along the same subject)
Watching Sport Center one day several months ago, there was a small nascar clip, 30 sec. max. This guy starts flipping the [fizzle] out, saying if A-Rod had hit a homer, we'd be hearing about it for 2 weeks, but since it's nascar, one 30 sec. clip is all it gets, how Nascar is the best, yada yada yada.
Then, in his several moments of stupidity I like to call his life, He says this. And I quote "Well, I don't even really like Nascar, never really watched it before. I just think it sucks they don't give it the same airplay".
WTF? I'm all for sticking up for the little guys.. I get that- But this guy just had a stage 3 Heart attack over a sports show. I can see his face turning red, and the vein popping out of his forehead.

it was funny when it happened-- sorry if it sucks now.

**SinCity** · 2-22-08, 21:33

There's no need to bash rednecks just because they spend more money on their love of NASCAR than they do on their trailer park homes.

**Mike 94PGT** · 2-23-08, 22:19

NASCAR was sort of interesting when the cars were actually Dodges, Pontiacs, Fords and Chevys and not a common tube-frame rolling chassis under fake bodywork (especially lately) with only a faint, passing resemblance to anything a maker actually puts on the road. Of course, you have to go back to the mid-1960s to see that...

Most racing series really suck now: NASCAR, F1, Champ/IRL... who can stand to watch this soap-opera stuff anymore? I'd rather kick back and watch the odd WRC or Touring Car race, when I can catch it on the tube, that is...

**Trent** · 2-24-08, 2:04

Agreed, Mike. I like watching SCCA Pro series racing on Speed TV. Australian V8 Supercars and German Touring Cars are also fun to watch.

**daevilone** · 2-24-08, 20:46

australian v8's?? thats getting just as boring as all the other racing stuff, admitedly a tonne better than ovals hahah. but its only down to 2 manufacturers, and they are far far from what is released on the road. It's still not bad to watch though.
WRC by far is the best at the moment, then F1 just for the pure engineering of them.
heh WRC is the only major form where you can see major differences in the cars!

**Trent** · 2-24-08, 23:14

You're right about the lack of manufacturer support in the Australian supercar series. I guess I just saw it as a more interesting alternative to Nascar. I saw one a while back where they are driving these cars on a track that had trees sporadically placed along the side of the track surface. That was interesting.

**Turk** · 2-25-08, 21:25

The Australian supercars used to be awesome. Before every other car got banned. Remember seeing BMW's and Nissan GTR's lapping with the Fords and Holdens?

Still a [fizzle] load better then Nascar though.

Im happy enough watching club racing on a saturday/sunday arvo though. The is variation in the cars and their setup and it makes it much more interesting (although slower) to see different makes and models hammering it out.

**SXE MX6** · 2-25-08, 21:34

Quote:

Originally Posted by Mike 94PGT

NASCAR was sort of interesting when the cars were actually Dodges, Pontiacs, Fords and Chevys and not a common tube-frame rolling chassis under fake bodywork (especially lately) with only a faint, passing resemblance to anything a maker actually puts on the road. Of course, you have to go back to the mid-1960s to see that...

you don't have to go back that far, pre 88 was still using rwd platforms, and still "stock cars"

**daevilone** · 2-26-08, 1:34

Quote:

Originally Posted by Turk

The Australian supercars used to be awesome. Before every other car got banned. Remember seeing BMW's and Nissan GTR's lapping with the Fords and Holdens?

Still a [fizzle] load better then Nascar though.

Im happy enough watching club racing on a saturday/sunday arvo though. The is variation in the cars and their setup and it makes it much more interesting (although slower) to see different makes and models hammering it out.

hah it was even better when mini's used to race. heh my uncle used to race mini's at bathurst against the v8 fords and holdens.

agreed there. club racing is just good.

**I4MX6** · 2-26-08, 17:48

Quote:

Originally Posted by Mike 94PGT

NASCAR was sort of interesting when the cars were actually Dodges, Pontiacs, Fords and Chevys and not a common tube-frame rolling chassis under fake bodywork (especially lately) with only a faint, passing resemblance to anything a maker actually puts on the road. Of course, you have to go back to the mid-1960s to see that...

Most racing series really suck now: NASCAR, F1, Champ/IRL... who can stand to watch this soap-opera stuff anymore? I'd rather kick back and watch the odd WRC or Touring Car race, when I can catch it on the tube, that is...

Amen to that!

**Mike 94PGT** · 3-1-08, 17:54

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Originally Posted by SXE MX6

you don't have to go back that far, pre 88 was still using rwd platforms, and still "stock cars"

Yeah but if you check you'll see that what underpinned even those 1980s Monte Carlos and whatnot was a semi-standardized car based on the old Holman Moody 1966 Ford Fairlane entry.

"On January 12, 2006, NASCAR announced a universal car named “Car of Tomorrow” after a five-year design program sparked mostly due to the death of Dale Earnhardt, one of the sport’s premier superstars in a tragic final lap crash during the 2001 Daytona 500. The then-current cars were based on Holman Moody’s 1966 Ford Fairlane. The primary design considerations were “safety innovations, performance and competition, and cost efficiency for teams.”

All cars may be required to fit the same set of templates. NASCAR’s old rules had a different set of templates for each manufacturer (Ford, Chevy, Dodge, and Toyota). NASCAR has frequently adjusted the rules to ensure that different car manufacturers have relatively equal cars. The universal body of the Car of Tomorrow will eliminate these problems."

2007 March « Brad Thomas

To truly go back to "stock car" racing in NASCAR, you need to predate the adoption of that template.

Biffmeistro · 3-2-08, 9:22

I really do wish that NASCAR would go back to the style of the 60's and 70's, with some modification, though.

My idea, (to return to the stock car style of it). You can run whatever you want, so long as you offer 1 per dealer to the public to be sold. (AS RACED, except with amenaties like an interior and whatnot, and without the roll cage). Engine displacement be capped at 5 liters, and to keep them from going too wild, they have to be sold at 30k at the dealer.
(If they had to sell 10k cars at 30k each, they wouldn't just build an uber expensive supercar and take the monetary loss to be able to race it, as that would be crippling)

Plus, the car as raced needs to be able to pass all emmissions and safety regulations.

That would bring back the dealer competition. I mean, the muscle car wars of the 60's was as much fueled by NASCAR and Trans Am as it was by the desire of the public. Nowadays NASCAR is trying to become more like IROC was, where it is purely a race of drivers, rather than car manufacturer companies. If you want the race to be only about the driver, just issue them identical cars, don't even try to make it seem like it's a company based thing.

We'd once more get cars like the road runner. Small, light, RWD cars that have no options, no amenities, except a big, powerful v8. Rather than having to buy every option in order to be allowed that big engine.