While we're on the subject i'm looking for a new muffler that is 2.5 intake. I looked on ebay but saw nothing but the ricey stuff. Who makes an exhaust that looks close to stock? OR has any one every hollowed out our stock muffler?
-Tom
While we're on the subject i'm looking for a new muffler that is 2.5 intake. I looked on ebay but saw nothing but the ricey stuff. Who makes an exhaust that looks close to stock? OR has any one every hollowed out our stock muffler?
-Tom
Borla is the answer you seek. The place you desire is ebay.
borla is so hawt that is my set up ss auto chrome headers test pipe and borla peaking out the back.
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yes I do, now lets go write tickets on all the cars in the officer parking and call it our civic duties.... eww that has to be the wrong spelling of the word
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I suppose that all the muffler shops in town are going out of buisness as we speak?
Muffler shops do not sell stock exhaust components, they sell cheap replacement stuff, thats why people go there.
And I'm quiet sure as well that there are a few cars out there on the road that have used up every stock part there is to be had, including the exhaust.
I also bet the cops do not sit outside muffler shops and cite each and every owner whos car is now clearly not legal.
I'm sure grandma in the old 72 ford station wagon is not going to be cited for getting new aftermarket mufflers, mid-pipes, and tail-pipes put on after hers rusted to dust.
You have to keep a low profile around places where cops have to pull you over for things like that. But you can bet I would take it to court if I got pulled over and grandma didn't.
Other than stock WTF. Are they saying you have to buy parts (mufflers) from the dealer?
I think it would be fun to go through the police station parking lot and make some cop ticket every vehicle in there with an other than stock muffler.
Just for informations sake, an exhuast shop will sell you anything and install just about anything.
exhuast that are considerd not stock are exhuast that are to loud. when your car rolls out of the factory, it doesnt sound like its running on an open header. Factory exhuast's are designed for quite comfortable driving. Most new cars these days you cant even tell there running at times..
I highly doubt any officer is going to crawl under anyones car, measure there pipeing, get a part # off a muffler, then look it up in a big book of exhuast sizes for various cars. Thats not even practical, alot of tuner cars are so damn low you cant even get a jack under them.
There going by, how loud it is, and possibly what it looks like.
Cops are dicks about it real bad around here. I'll still have the 3" from the turbo back, but I'll be dumping it with an electric cutout, and keep a stock setup in the rear.
both of my cars I have own have been pull over for and never been ticketed over for it ,but if they cant get you on it they try other stuffs.
it sucks ask me
why do they constantly have to screw with us? I am sorry but this is profiling not to mention how many of our parents talk about the old days and car etc and yet they screw with us.... I really hate cops.
Boo [fizzle]ing hoo. Dont like it? Then dont have an obnoxiously loud exhaust on your car. Pretty simple solution, huh? If you wanna do the crime, you gotta be prepared to do the time.
And they dont NEED to use a DB meter. It's pretty obvious when a car is louder than stock, especially when you have a 5" tip or whatnot sticking out the back. Basically, if they can hear your car, they know it's not stock. And 99% of the time, they're right.
And obviously your freind didnt know where to drive. Cops normally target certain areas for that in most states. I drove for a year or so in the old city I lived in with my 3.0 V6 with 2.5" straight pipe all the way back, with no muffler, and never got pulled over for it. Ever. And it was obnoxiously loud.
Most of the time, as long as you're not being a tool while you're driving, they'll let you be (Unless it's some Civic exhaust with a 6" coffee can out the back)
Boo [fizzle]ing hoo. Dont like it? Then dont have an obnoxiously loud exhaust on your car. Pretty simple solution, huh? If you wanna do the crime, you gotta be prepared to do the time.
And they dont NEED to use a DB meter. It's pretty obvious when a car is louder than stock, especially when you have a 5" tip sticking out the back. Basically, if they can hear your car, they know it's not stock. And 99% of the time, they're right.
And obviously your freind didnt know where to drive. Cops normally target certain areas for that in most states. I drove for a year or so in the old city I lived in with my 3.0 V6 with 2.5" straight pipe all the way back, with no muffler, and never got pulled over for it. Ever. And it was obnoxiously loud.
Most of the time, as long as you're not being a tool while you're driving, they'll let you be (Unless it's some Civic exhaust with a 6" coffee can out the back)
LMAO did you have any facts about your assumptions on my information or were you just fishing at what you THOUGHT was probably the answer? Heres one for ya, STFU.
Its a damn resonated muffler on a stock exhaust (One where it routs the exhaust back through the muffler again before letting it out), and as for my exhaust sorry but its not that loud. I have videos up of my car and the Super Charger Blow off is louder but then my car is not the issue, its the car with just an intake and a resonated muffler unlike any pictured above.
As for this area, its not the East or South side so no this is not the area where they are heavy or go looking. Speedway on Friday's and Saturdays is where that happens or the East and South Side. This is the Northwest Side on the outskirts of where Marana actually begins but is connected with Tucson.
So please is there any other commonsense you think you would like to impart any "Deal with it attitude" on a subject where you might as well have just not put in the obvious assumptions because they were way the [fizzle] off base. Not to mention the cops here are dicks, this thread as well as many others on numerous forums show it. When they have free time they screw with anyone who enjoys there vehicle but then hey you have all the answers so dispite everyone else complaining because we all must be immature ass holes why don't you come down here and solve it for us.
Jack ass.
Last edited by Cross : 5-18-07 at 10:05.
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1996 Nissan Maxima 5 Speed, Finally Heather has a Decent Car
Not to mention the cops here are dicks, this thread as well as many others on numerous forums show it.
Only if you're some ricer, or have a modified car. I dont hear many normal law-abiding citizens complaining about them
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Heres one for ya, STFU
Why not try STFU yourself and just dealing with it? If you dont want to be hassled, dont give them a reason. You or your "freind" Dont bitch about the cops for doing thier job. Thats what stupid highschool kids do
Funny too... you bitch about the cops, but who's the FIRST person you call when you're getting attacked or robbed? Thats right.... the police...
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why don't you come down here and solve it for us
Why dont you do something about it yourself, instead of complaining? Sounds like a better idea to me...
God... is this HondaTech or something and I didnt notice? I thought thats the only place you hear people whining and bitching because they get pulled over for having a fartcannon on thier car, thinking they did nothing wriong and the cops are out to get them....
OH I am sorry I did not realize someone needed to defend the cops here. Maybe you would like some numbers on whats going on here with other crimes. Obvously you would think they had something better to do with there time.
Excuse me but if you have the gall to accuse my car or myself of being loud just say it and not beat around the issue like a jack ass trying to look "Knowledgeable" .
GO back to honda tech if you want to contribute to that stupidity this is something everyone should be concerned with, the harder the rains are pulled in the more it affects everyone who enjoys there car jack ass. I don't know about you but I damn well like both my cars.
Doing something about it is informing others, getting more information from others experiences and trying to get something done about it. Be it organizing others to stand up against it or finding the legal terms needed to handle the issue the minute your pulled over.
As for the first person I call to do there actual job instead of harass citizens, gee sorry so should I make representations and crayon drawings for you and break this down or can you put [fizzle]ing 2 + 2 together?
And don't give them a reason? What would you pref we all go by stock vehicles or harleys that are louder then every car in my group and say I am now "Stock" or maybe just buy a Kia and forget enjoying what I love. Again STFU moron. Your comment was stupid, full of assumptions and while I normally don't care I hate BS esp of that nature from someone who is supposed to be a car enthusiast putting down everyone else in general because he believes he is smarter then the rest while basing his answers on what he believes to be fact without any actual facts to go with it.
So how about you comeback with some facts in your statements instead of assumptions, and anything other then ignorance? High Schooler comment over something thats going to stop every V8 and other car thats not "Stock" this is not about it being to loud its what the cop said to Jeremy:
"Anything thats not a STOCK muffler can be pulled over for this"
To me thats a huge issue and we need to stand up and stop this from keeping all of us from doing mods to our vehicles that we enjoy.
Last edited by Cross : 5-18-07 at 10:40.
Light travels faster than sound. That's why some people appear bright until you hear them speak.
Quote:
Originally Posted by Mazda SpeedFeen
**And just to clarify Cross is only my bitch on Sunday**
1995 Camaro Z28: LT355 T56 & Twin Disc Clutch
1993 Probe GT-6 v2 KLZE
1996 Nissan Maxima 5 Speed, Finally Heather has a Decent Car
My point is not what the exhaust looks like, and not even what it sounds like.
Factory exhaust sound and look are not always mild sounding nor are they always conservative looking.
I feel that the law is allowing the officers to make unlawful stops. 86,681 noise related citations in 2006 alone were given out in AZ. I do not know how many of them are automotive related.
That last link states to the effect that officers are not equipped to measure sound levels, also something noted by the OP. There was no investigation to prove that any violation of city or state code/law ever did happen, and the officer knew from the get go that he/she was in no way equiped to conduct such an investigation but stopped the person regardless.
Current fines seem to be around $100.00 plus the problem must be resolved, another wad of cash down the drain, and for what, because an officer said your muffler seems to be louder than it should be because it's shiney and big?
What strikes me as very sorry indeed is one of links refers to window AC unit noise, now pitty the child of that low income family that is going to suffer in the arizona summer heat because of some POS saying your window AC is a little too loud. Will that same person report the childs parrents to CPS a day or two later for not providing the chid with a cool retreat from the summer heat?
Assuming a 6.2% sales tax on a $30.00 muffler (or whatever is making noise) the state made $161,226.66 off of noise violaters by taxing the noise making device proir to its use in 2006. Then with the violation they add another $100.00 to the pot for each of the violations, thats $8,668,100.00. Plus they reap a second chance to tax the same folks for items needed to fix the problem, lets just say the same figure we used for the initial tax, so thats $161,226.66. Add that all up and you get $8,990,553.20 from noise violations alone.
In 2006 AZ population was 6,166,318 of which 4,526,077 were taxable 18 year olds or above with some sort of income, thats just $1.46 per person per year. A much better way to earn income than pestering the odd person that might be a little louder than the rest. I honestly doubt that the state of AZ will consider paying any person within earshot of a siren $1.46 per occurence, a noise just as likely to cause hearing loss as any other. And that is the basis of this sort of law is it not, to curb sounds that cause public loss of hearing.
I could not find the established limit for the OPs location, but it seems that there is one.
The fact is that the officer had no way of proving that a violation was in fact there at all. The officer made no attempt to investigate the noise level aside from his or her own idea of what too loud might be. When in fact it may well have been within the limits of the code, regardless of what the muffler looked like.
I feel that the officer was wrong for stopping the OPs friend because he or she could not and/or did not establish any wrong doing and seems to have never intended to do so. Now if the officer were to have had a meter to check the noise output and an established procedure to conduct that test, and had performed it correctly, so be it. But such is not the case, the officer knew from the outset that they were unable to show fault but stoped the OPs friend anyway, that my friends is not a legal stop in my opinion.
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Dont bitch about the cops for doing thier job. Thats what stupid highschool kids do
