Gas rant

[91turbo666]

finally watched the documentary "who killed the electric car", its on youtube or grab a torrent. its pretty interesting i always thought electric cars were all short range but theres plenty that can do over 300 miles on a charge.....and whos going to do more than 300 miles in a day

[easyBob]

Originally Posted by 91turbo666

finally watched the documentary "who killed the electric car", its on youtube or grab a torrent. its pretty interesting i always thought electric cars were all short range but theres plenty that can do over 300 miles on a charge.....and whos going to do more than 300 miles in a day

Plenty of people.

Besides, I haven't seen an electric car that can toe a trailer packed with a Miata, large heavy tool cart, golf cart, tubs of spare parts, a rack of tires and wheels, easy-ups, 3 55 gallon drums of gas, a grill, and a small living area.

It takes a large turbo diesel to do that. And charging time. I don't like having to wait hours before I can drive it again. There are still more advancements that need to be made before people would get them. (mostly charging time I believe). Nobody wants to forget to charge their car, that would suck.

-Chris

[easyBob]

Originally Posted by SinCity

....Our trade deficit with other countries is way to high. We import too much and export little. We at least need to go back to balanced trade like we used to have. So buy goods made in America if you can.

I'm just reading through this post and needed to point this out.

America is the largest exporting country in the world. So what we trade with other people in other countries? It makes everyone better off (the very definition of a economic transaction!!). The whole trade deficit argument is really, really stupid. If it was at all true, then you should also be complaining about trade deficits between states, because they do exist.

Wait, listen.....I hear nothing. Not one person can think past what the silly idiots on tv talk about day in and day out. I'm just so sick of the mercantilism. "Mercantilism suggests that the ruling government should advance these goals by playing a protectionist role in the economy, by encouraging exports and discouraging imports..." Why the hell does anybody want that?

A post or two above yours said inflation is at 4%...... suuuuuuure it is. The real problem here is everyone is going to blame the problems on things that are only a result of the actual problem. "Oh noes, gas is on the rise and oil companies are making profit! Call your congressman!!!!"

You can't see me, but I'm swimming up a river of tears for all those people.

-Chris

EDIT: I should also add: Welcome to the 1970s. Keep your head down.

[DrBrown]

I had a little fued with a family member who works for the government and she can spew out verbatim exactly what they tell her like its her own beliefs. It astonishes me. I tell her the country is on the verge of depression and she says Im crazy, the inflation is around 4.2%. Well sure it is if you listen to the government. Up until a month ago Bush said we weren't in a recession, it was just an economic downturn. WHAT? ITS THE SAME THING TOOL! If you look at how we ended up in the depression in the 30's it stemmed from the central banks and bad lending practices. We're almost there again if you look at the debt/earnings ratio and how many folks are losing their homes. Whats more scary is back in 1929 the majority of our population lived in the country, grew their own gardens in tough times and economized. What sucks is 80% of our population lives along the coast in large cities now and when depression hits this time EVERYONE is going to feel the pain whereas before people were strong and could manage. My neighborhood is full of morons, I dont see them surviving anything worse than a common cold. Sad part is it's too late to fix the problem that the banks and federal government have broken. Bob you are correct in saying welcome to the 70's and keep your head down! But dont forget to keep your gun close too.

[91turbo666]

Originally Posted by easyBob

Plenty of people.

Besides, I haven't seen an electric car that can toe a trailer packed with a Miata, large heavy tool cart, golf cart, tubs of spare parts, a rack of tires and wheels, easy-ups, 3 55 gallon drums of gas, a grill, and a small living area.

It takes a large turbo diesel to do that. And charging time. I don't like having to wait hours before I can drive it again. There are still more advancements that need to be made before people would get them. (mostly charging time I believe). Nobody wants to forget to charge their car, that would suck.

-Chris

hello?? how many people really need a +6000 lb vehicle in the world. its a minority. ill bet its a minority in america too, despite the numbers sold. noones impeding on your right to drive one, the issue here is that the motor companies and oil companies made a concerted effort to get them off the road. instead of poking holes in electric cars, think about how many people could use them. no more chewing through fuel sitting in congested traffic, and lessen smog. as a commuter car theres a HUGE percentage of people that could use one.

in fact i find the lack of support disturbing. any improvements that need to be done could have been done.......there has been electric cars on the roads for over 150 years!! in the mean time the entire world has made tiny improvements to a grossly inefficient and hugely profitable technology, the internal combustion engine. coincidence, i think not. sick sad world

[easyBob]

Originally Posted by 91turbo666

hello?? how many people really need a +6000 lb vehicle in the world. its a minority. ill bet its a minority in america too, despite the numbers sold. noones impeding on your right to drive one, the issue here is that the motor companies and oil companies made a concerted effort to get them off the road. instead of poking holes in electric cars, think about how many people could use them. no more chewing through fuel sitting in congested traffic, and lessen smog. as a commuter car theres a HUGE percentage of people that could use one.

in fact i find the lack of support disturbing. any improvements that need to be done could have been done.......there has been electric cars on the roads for over 150 years!! in the mean time the entire world has made tiny improvements to a grossly inefficient and hugely profitable technology, the internal combustion engine. coincidence, i think not. sick sad world

Definitely a minority, you're right, but that doesn't matter.

So I guess I can only ask is, when are you going to buy an electric car?


-Chris

[D'sMx-6]

^^^ When they are available. Honestly, especially if they can get 300 miles to the charge as well. The people that drive more than 300 miles in a day wouldn't benefit from them but who cares? I know I wouldn't even come close to driving that much in a day.

[Turk]

Originally Posted by easyBob

Definitely a minority, you're right, but that doesn't matter.

So I guess I can only ask is, when are you going to buy an electric car?


-Chris

If I could I would buy one. I need one that can go maybe 120-140kms on a charge. Good enough for me(and every single person I know who lives in Sydney) and would save me about $70 a week in fuel. If I want to go on a long trip, ill take the the petrol car. Im no greenie, but I dont NEED to drive a fast (or in some peoples case, very large) car to work everyday. I would love to have one [shizzle]ty 88 honda crx that gets a 100km range to drive to work and back everyday, and have my boosted 6 to fang on the weekends and go on long trips.

After seeing all these success stories, im considering an electric crx as my next project. Best thing is, my gf is looking at buying a car for about $10000, so Ill get her to finance the thing .

80% of people dont drive more then 140kms in a day. Most families have 2 cars, why not have one electric and one petrol. Chris I think you are a bit of a sook. I dont give a [shizzle] about emmissions or the environment, I care about my wallet and having to wait in line at petrol stations with other dickheads buying fuel at $2 a Litre (give it towards the end of the year, it is $1.70 now)

EDIT - Ten [fizzle]ing grand for one of those kits. That will buy me a [shizzle] load of fuel .

[91turbo666]

im starting smaller....motorised bicycle. riding 30kms in winter is killin me. firstly a lot of clarification is needed on the law. cops get crappy about engine mods, so when you rip it out and put in an electric motor you need to know if your car is even allowed on the road. getting rid of petrol was always the plan after the stagea

[SixSick6]

I'm wondering why all of you are complaining about gas prices when you live in the US? Do you not realize that we have been paying too little for gas for many years? Hell you pay more for a grande Starbucks than you do for a gallon of gas and you don't complain about that? People in other countries have been buying gas by the liter and paying $6-$8 a gallon for years already.

Here's an idea- WALK or ride a bike.

[gehofff]

Originally Posted by SixSick6

I'm wondering why all of you are complaining about gas prices when you live in the US? Do you not realize that we have been paying too little for gas for many years? Hell you pay more for a grande Starbucks than you do for a gallon of gas and you don't complain about that? People in other countries have been buying gas by the liter and paying $6-$8 a gallon for years already.

Here's an idea- WALK or ride a bike.

I'd rock a goped on any day it doesn't rain. I love it when I, a teenager at the time, would be more informed than older people about that stuff. They would gripe about gas, and I would explain to them the cost of it in the U.K.

[Turk]

Originally Posted by SixSick6

I'm wondering why all of you are complaining about gas prices when you live in the US? Do you not realize that we have been paying too little for gas for many years? Hell you pay more for a grande Starbucks than you do for a gallon of gas and you don't complain about that? People in other countries have been buying gas by the liter and paying $6-$8 a gallon for years already.

Here's an idea- WALK or ride a bike.

You dont need 30 or more grande Starbucks (im assuming that is a drink) to get to work every week!!! .

It is more expensive here then in the US, but I wont say thay Americans therefore have no right to whinge about it. In Turkey they pay $3 a litre for it.

[easyBob]

Originally Posted by Turk

If I could I would buy one. I need one that can go maybe 120-140kms on a charge. Good enough for me(and every single person I know who lives in Sydney) and would save me about $70 a week in fuel. If I want to go on a long trip, ill take the the petrol car. Im no greenie, but I dont NEED to drive a fast (or in some peoples case, very large) car to work everyday. I would love to have one [shizzle]ty 88 honda crx that gets a 100km range to drive to work and back everyday, and have my boosted 6 to fang on the weekends and go on long trips.

After seeing all these success stories, im considering an electric crx as my next project. Best thing is, my gf is looking at buying a car for about $10000, so Ill get her to finance the thing .

80% of people dont drive more then 140kms in a day. Most families have 2 cars, why not have one electric and one petrol. Chris I think you are a bit of a sook. I dont give a [shizzle] about emmissions or the environment, I care about my wallet and having to wait in line at petrol stations with other dickheads buying fuel at $2 a Litre (give it towards the end of the year, it is $1.70 now)

EDIT - Ten [fizzle]ing grand for one of those kits. That will buy me a [shizzle] load of fuel .

Sook? You're the one that is complaining, stickybeak. I'm just pointing out that people will not get an electric car until charging times come down....way down.

Build your electric car, that sounds like fun.

-Chris

[easyBob]

Originally Posted by SixSick6

I'm wondering why all of you are complaining about gas prices when you live in the US? Do you not realize that we have been paying too little for gas for many years? Hell you pay more for a grande Starbucks than you do for a gallon of gas and you don't complain about that? People in other countries have been buying gas by the liter and paying $6-$8 a gallon for years already.

Here's an idea- WALK or ride a bike.

Agree! It was only a matter of time before prices started going up.

-Chris

[Turk]

Originally Posted by easyBob

Sook? You're the one that is complaining, stickybeak. I'm just pointing out that people will not get an electric car until charging times come down....way down.

Build your electric car, that sounds like fun.

-Chris

Your pointing out what others want, it sounds like you are just having a sook for the sake of it. Oh dont worry I am a sook too. I wonder if we made a poll asking would you drive the current available electric car saying that it takes over night to charge, and goes for about 70-80 miles on that one charge. Not that impressive, but 100% adequete for everyone I know's transport.