sony's marketing in invasive... bluray is a fad...and this price point still isn't good enough to make me voluntarily place a sony product in my household.
94 mx6 - you name it - I did it, came up with it, tried it and rejected it or just plain still have it. **Now in the caring hands of Chef** 93 mx3 - klze, i/h/e, rims and paint.. **FS - on a lift, has an engine, just need to put them together. I have no time. come buy it cheap. 98 jeep GC - 5.9L with bolt ons, lifted, locked. 32x10.5 Goodyear MTR winter/ 30x9.5 bfg ta/ko summer. Custom steel bumpers + armor. "the beast" 98 jeep GC - 5.9L with every bolt on + tune. My street jeep. small tires, but runs 13's
sony's marketing in invasive... bluray is a fad...and this price point still isn't good enough to make me voluntarily place a sony product in my household.
so a Bluray player for 299 with a game player as a bonus isn't good enough for you?
sony's marketing in invasive... bluray is a fad...and this price point still isn't good enough to make me voluntarily place a sony product in my household.
pffft. well arent you just soooooo cool
what sucks, is that there hasnt been any games to get anywhere near the max potential of the system yet, and i paid like 500 for it 2 years ago
1991 gt - still busted
1999 626 kl manual
2002 maxima
so a Bluray player for 299 with a game player as a bonus isn't good enough for you?
GTFO
considering bluray is a doomed fad, and was doomed to a short life before it was even finalized... why would I care about having one?
likewise - why would i care about a game player that doesn't actually have any content that appeals to me? i guess i could shell out for the yearly planned obsolescence madden franchise (now thats an annoying [fizzle]ing business model - no thanks.. i'll buy it in january for 3.50 in the bargain bin lol)... cept i don't care about videogame football.
following in that theme - why would i care about free online play when its so rife with exploits, cheaters, and etc due to under-moderation... and the aforementioned lack of content means i'd have a whole lot of nothing to do.. even for free..
In japan - you can get toasters that can browse the web. thats not an attribute... the web interface is convoluted and inadequate at best. I already have at least 10 devices that can access the web (my tv, ds, various game systems, phone, bb, etc etc) - how many of them do i ACTUALLY access the web on? 2. my computer, and phone... and even the phone is only when i'm on the go.
music and video storage? I have over 4TB of that, and use a device thats less than half the price... is far friendlier in the formats it supports, and has a much much lower electricity profile when in use.
in fact - the only thing that is even remotely appealing about the ps3 is the ease with which i could set up a distributed computing cell, and get some really nice numbers out of a 6 brick DCS, for <2000.00.
of course doing so voids the warranty, but its still a compelling possibility... so that'll be my backpedal issue.. its one reason i might ever consider purchasing a few ps3's
94 mx6 - you name it - I did it, came up with it, tried it and rejected it or just plain still have it. **Now in the caring hands of Chef** 93 mx3 - klze, i/h/e, rims and paint.. **FS - on a lift, has an engine, just need to put them together. I have no time. come buy it cheap. 98 jeep GC - 5.9L with bolt ons, lifted, locked. 32x10.5 Goodyear MTR winter/ 30x9.5 bfg ta/ko summer. Custom steel bumpers + armor. "the beast" 98 jeep GC - 5.9L with every bolt on + tune. My street jeep. small tires, but runs 13's
IMO, a Blu ray is just a fancy DVD. It's doomed because very soon, much like music, all media will switch to digital, and DVDs, CDs, and Blue rays are gonna be the equivalent of LPs and Casstes.
'Tis a nice price for a fairly good console. If they came out with a remake of FF7 or a new FF, I would consider it.
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IMO, a Blu ray is just a fancy DVD. It's doomed because very soon, much like music, all media will switch to digital, and DVDs, CDs, and Blue rays are gonna be the equivalent of LPs and Casstes.
'Tis a nice price for a fairly good console. If they came out with a remake of FF7 or a new FF, I would consider it.
and unlike media like a disc that is properly QA'd, digital artifacts can be present in your digital stream.
I wish I had the time to play video games like I used to. Halo owned me for many years. I'll buy it for that price though.
Naveen
PS: I am not an expert in the formats but I have seen a few nice set ups with bluray and the quality is amazing. I would watch movies and play games all day long on those set ups.
BD's suffer the same artifact issues that a stream does.. they are both delivered via encoder/decoder which is where any non bandwidth related artifacts happen. bandwidth related issues are a reality - but not as much on the high end. If you're talking about a high end standard, you can't consider the median.. in that case we'd have to have the argument about bluray on 480i tube Tv's. Its useless, and doesn't merit discussion, since its not the aim of the technology.
and who says streaming is the only alternative? we've already gotten to the point where flash memory is almost as cost effective as spinning optical media.. and so much faster. That means we can use things like compression encoding at a lossless level, because the media can support far greater video bandwidth than spinning media.
Sony itself has already released movies on flash drives. Here, as promo-like items, and much much more successful in other markets...
My biggest problem isn't bd itself, its the way it came into being, when the same quality could be had with existing red laser infrastructure, and mild tweaking to the laser, narrowing it by 100nm, with only a few compromises... instead they forced a new standard (they bullied with money, which isn't something the ISO standards decisions should ever be based on) which cost a couple of billion more in tool up than the alternatives (HDDVD wasn't the only high bandwidth, multilayered alternative btw) in tool up design and production costs.. conditioning people into thinking that 30.00 for new releases is a reasonable price for 2 hours of movie, plus 5 hours of useless fluff that only the true assholes of society ever use (the notable exceptions are those movies that really qualify as "cinema" and/ or have an interesting back story to tell, huge fanbase, etc. But do we really need 15 deleted scenes from different angles, and director commentary of the donkey show in clerks 2? That could just as easily be distributed as digital content to augment a red-laser disc, but the core movie would be just as "high def" )
Both formats were a death cry for rotating optical media.. and they all know it. the limits are based in physics, and there is no amount of trickery that will overcome them.
given this - the cheaper alternative that will let us stretch the life of rotating media just a few years.. should be welcomed right?
Nope - instead those with the money to do so, created an atmosphere of cashing the [fizzle] out on a dead end technology, and run while you still can. So yes - [fizzle] sony.. [fizzle] sony hard.
Once we move to UHDV (there are already commercial cameras hitting the hollywood shelves, so it will happen) then BD becomes useless without severe compression anyways (talk to me about atifacts then) - the format uncompressed will consume approximately 200GB per minute. A full length movie will be 20+ TB. - creative compression, and encoding (hint: all current BD's are compressed and encoded) is a part of life.. there's no reason the same QA can't be placed in a digital delivery arena. thats a pretty lame argument in fact. Digital delivery (itunes, among others) accounts for 7% of the HD market, and growing.. and thats a figure that does not include streaming at all.
Its not even viable as a backup medium.. even at its theoretical outer doublesided limit, a BD will hold 200GB +/-
Its a technology still limited to <60Mb bitrates, which is good for 24/30 frames a second max. They have to up the compression in order to bump that up enough to keep up with the newer 120hz tv's or the upcoming 240hz standard.
HD has been around for a while- but sony acts like it invented it... and now - the media standard it ushered in is the one major part of the equation holding the HD world back. 1080p is now the dead end for the next few years instead of a stepping stone. It is a result of the limits of spinning optical media, and won't evolve in the mass market until we move to spinning-media-less digital delivery.
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94 mx6 - you name it - I did it, came up with it, tried it and rejected it or just plain still have it. **Now in the caring hands of Chef** 93 mx3 - klze, i/h/e, rims and paint.. **FS - on a lift, has an engine, just need to put them together. I have no time. come buy it cheap. 98 jeep GC - 5.9L with bolt ons, lifted, locked. 32x10.5 Goodyear MTR winter/ 30x9.5 bfg ta/ko summer. Custom steel bumpers + armor. "the beast" 98 jeep GC - 5.9L with every bolt on + tune. My street jeep. small tires, but runs 13's
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I will.
