++smoked my buddys 97 gt 4.6l++

[Mike 94PGT]

Originally Posted by ls six

Thats just fine. It's a personal choice but you cant sujest that it's a better FINANTIAL decision to mod a newer car instead of an old one.

In general, modifications are never really a winning proposal financially. One rarely gets back what one puts into any car. Having said that, it still makes more sense to me to start with newer, fresher base stock that doesn't leave you wondering if you'll make it to your next destination, that isn't so old and high mileage that there's always issues coming up that need to be addressed just to keep it on the road, issues like the ones moebius alluded to earlier. I'd rather bolt [shizzle] on and go fast rather than worrying about another noise, rattle or rust hole or making it where I'm headed...

There are exceptions of course. I'd love to have an old 1966 SS396 Chevelle to play with but I certainly wouldn't start with a $1000 example. And such a vehicle would be a weekend driver at most, not one I'd depend on for reliable daily driving, putting on thousands of miles a month.

To me, buying a thousand-dollar beater and putting go-fast mods into it make little sense whatsoever. By and large, people making that choice are severely cash-strapped or are masochists. Maybe there's a vanishingly small percentage of folks that do to a 1990 MX6 what others do to mid-60s iron but I wager most -- not all, but most -- are wrenching on the $1000 cars because they can't yet afford to graduate to newer, more expensive stuff. When they graduate school, get that first high-paying job, I bet they set their sites on an RX8 or 350Z or similar stuff...


/thread for me

[maffatato15]

i can go take out a loan and go buy a new car if i want to but i dont. I would rather have an mx6 because they are getting rare everyday and im proud to be an owner of one. When things on older cars break (like an mx6) they are easy to fix and cheap. The car is fairly simple and not much too it. You get into all the newer cars and they become more difficult and expensive to fix.

Plus i'd rather take pride and put time into my car to make it my own rather than buy a car from the factory with 300 hp. Its probably just me but id rather start with a car and make it a sleeper and do things my way.

When that engine goes on that mustang at like 100,000 miles let me know how much it costs to get a another one. Because my mx6 will last at least twice that long and hey, i can get another engine for 100 bucks if i needed too.

You can keep bashing older cars all you want, even the 1st gen, but my car has been nothing but reliable to me.



"To me, buying a thousand-dollar beater and putting go-fast mods into it make little sense whatsoever"

^^^^and that quote was pretty much a shot at the whole 1st gen community right there....What makes you think just cuz its a thousand bucks its a beater? My GT i got for 800 bucks is in great condition with solid body all around. It has 123,000 miles on it and will most likely outlast any newer mustang on the road right now.

Alright, i think im done.

[ls six]

Mike I'd have somthing to say to that ...if I didnt just tow the 6 home for the second time this year

[moebius]

Originally Posted by ls six

Mike I'd have somthing to say to that ...if I didnt just tow the 6 home for the second time this year

For comparision sake, I had to get my old '89 DX mx6 towed three times, all of them *my* fault for not doing either preventative maintence (a long time ago I forgot to check/put mtx gear fluid in.. oops.. got a new mtx after that..), the other two, were for a problem I had with the ignition, which I couldn't solve for a year and a half, turned out to be a bad igniter module. If I was a touch smarter, I would have never had to have been towed in my old DX.

Never been towed in my 626 GT yet, and I don't plan to if I can help it.
But, I've only had it for a year now...

[maffatato15]

i owned my 91 mx6 lx-t for four years this june and that car has been nothing but reliable. It was off the road for a few months because i had trouble finding parts to do the swap. Things like that were my fault.

[Mazda__Parter]

back on the first page of american muscle cars. they wont talk junk about japanesse muscle car Ei Supra TT , GTR, rx 7 TT. they got really nothing agiast them. besides TT blowing in thier faces when you blow by them

[Mike 94PGT]

Originally Posted by Mazda__Parter

back on the first page of american muscle cars. they wont talk junk about japanesse muscle car Ei Supra TT , GTR, rx 7 TT. they got really nothing agiast them. besides TT blowing in thier faces when you blow by them

Supra TT? RX7 TT? Highly complex, highly expensive machines that, in the case of the RX7, had dodgy reliability (funny that...how unreliability in an RX7 is excused so easily...) and sticker shock that left most would-be enthusiasts apoplectic. I guess that's why you weren't able to buy a Supra in the US after 1998. When did Mazda give up trying to sell the RX7 in the US?

Got a friend with a babied, bone-stock low-miles 1994 RX7TT. Still looks fresh though its 16" rims are a little dated now... But still a sweet ride with only 54,000KMs (that's 33,000 miles) ... and waiting on an engine rebuild due to blown coolant seals. I guess he'll be replacing the dried up and rotted rat's nest of vacuum hoses under the manifolds at that time too...

Was the GT-R ever sold in the United States (low volume, single-vehicle importers notwithstanding)? And the new GT-R...sweet ride but likely will be expensive, low-volume unobtanium just like its forebears. Teenagers will drool at showroom windows and bench/Internet race them, doctors and lawyers will flock to Infinity luxobarges and GT-Rs will sell...in very small volumes...to well heeled turds that will store them wrapped in plastic on blocks.

Those are all very nice, very potent cars to be sure. But at least American muscle, by and large, actually sells and gets used as it was meant to be used.

[maffatato15]

whatever......im so sick of seeing mustangs its not even funny. They have to be the most common car in new york state. There are atleast 3 on my street and my street isnt even 1/4 long

[Mr.Mecha]

Originally Posted by Mike 94PGT

When did Mazda give up trying to sell the RX7 in the US?

1995 was the last year.

Was the GT-R ever sold in the United States (low volume, single-vehicle importers notwithstanding)?

No, not in Canada either.

[maffatato15]

mazda may have given up the rx-7 but it has become one of the most fun cars to mod. a light rear wheel drive car is always good.

[Mazda Carnage]

Mike I hate to brake it to you, but here at the Luskville dragways, the V8 American Muscle cars get smoked all summer long by ricers with 4cyl turbo charged cars, last summer it got so bad, the muscle car guy's cried and they held an American car cruise night, the imports all showed up and smoked them anyways.

There will always be something faster out there, everyone has there own goals, but on some occasions you see something thats pretty impressive, I have a video of a Civic taking a Viper, the way I see it that race is a win win situation, for the civic, but a no win situation for the Viper had he won, big deal he beat a Civic with a Viper.
Heck theres a smart car out there beating a ferrary and a kid on race Goped with Nos beating a moded V8 camero with Nos.
Had the outcome of any of these races gone the other way, the viper, ferrary and camero won I wouldn't even remember them or ever mention them.

I have raced many mustangs and have yet to be beat by one, I especially like the 80's 5.0L most of which have a giant 5" tack and blinding shift light bolted to there cracked and faded dashes. the look on there faces when I pull up next to them while they have it floored and just run next to them a bit before taking off.

Last summer on our way to the track (three cars) Richard- Sleeper suby outback with STI swap Vf-39 at 22LBS 444 rear end, 3" staight pipes.... Me-89 MX6 gt, T3 turbo, 2.5" exhaust 15lbs.... and Rob with a rotten black 90 mx6 gt smoking and hiting boost cut at 10 lbs, half assed boost controller and everything else stock and busted.
We are driving down the road Richard, me, Rob, ahead of Richard is a 5.0l Mustang, when he sees us behind him he punches it, all three of us are on his ass, he's having trouble keeping it on the roar.
Now Richard and I are planing on racing when we get on the highway but the guy in the 5.0l must have figured he might have a chance on the highway, he pulls on and gets into the fast lane and floors it, Richard passes him in the slow lane like he's standing still with me inches behind him, then smoking along in his sorry ass 1st gen Rob beats him. To us he was in the way but latter all of us mentioned the look on his face when we blew passed him.
By the way my 20 year Mazda caught up to and over took Richards newer more expensive less reliable car with a bigger turbo and more boost.


I will also disagree with you about the quality of things, newer is not always better, I have never had to buy a sensor for a 88-92 F2-F2T engine, I just clean up the 20 year old sensors and they work fine, the sensors on the newer cars don't last 10 years.
Interiors, the 88-92 mx6 and 626 rarely have bad interiors, the dashes look good after 20 years and don't look all together outdated. I own a 93 PGT, it's here in my garage, the door panels are crap, the 2ng gen MX6 suffer the same fate, the quality just isn't the same.


Why do 80's and 90's mustangs sell for more then 1000$? Because the buyers don't know any better if they did they wouldn't be buying one.

And around here any MX6 GT thats in good shape sells for 3400$-4300$ the odd one goes cheaper but there few and far between.

Think about it, in 1989 you could buy Ford's flagship Muscle Car, a 5.0l mustang or the Ford probe GT, and on a role the probe beats the 5.0l stock.
For a cost of a set of headers for the mustang (installation not included) the probe owner can buy a chip, a boost controller and a boost gauge, run 15lbs and still smoke the mustang with headers, complete exhaust and a cold air intake.

[mazdacar707]

hey every body. so this guy named frank around here where i live, has been trying to race me with his 90 eagle talon tsi awd turbo 4g63 bone stock. so i am driving home last night and come to a light and sure enough across the intersection is frank, so i pull a u turn and follow him. we come to the next stoplight about half mile down the road and i roll up and ask him like a noob. "is that thing turbo?" he looks at me like what the hell. light turns green i get insane wheel spin at the launch in first,hit second gear and blow his doors off. i was at ten pounds of boost those tsi's run 14 stock.

[mazdacar707]

oh yeah and this guy named doug in his civic b18c1 swap with every bolt on imaginable will not even race me dont know why?