Guide to Road Racing - Page 2

**parisifal** · 9-30-02, 12:11

RIght, you can do it.

But once again....TECHNICALLY SPEAKING....it is NOT possible to "drift" with FWD. It might look like a drift, it might sound like a drift and it'll probably smells like one, but TECHNICALLY speaking it is not considered a drift.

Maybe i have not made that point clear. In all reasoning you can do it, but if you get down to the meat and potatoes it is not considered a drift...only to the extreme hard ass long time drifter, i'm not one of them so i'll say it's a drift. Hell you can look it up in a dictionary of some sort, it is not technically possible. Once again, I am not saying it's not, i'm just saying it is not considered to be drifting by the hardcore crowd (which i am not.)

Just don't want to misinform anyone because if you were to say that you can drift with FWD and it was someone really hard cored they might laugh at you. Just like most of us would laugh at people that think a CAI will add 10hp (once again, it might in some situation, but normally and technically it should not.)

foob · 9-30-02, 12:17

Just mentioning a point I heard man.. take it easy.

**SlickSix311** · 9-30-02, 14:23

point well taken parisfal

10-17-02, 22:42

PARISIFAL, I'M A NEW MEMBER, BEGGINER DRIVER AND THANX .

NICE TO BE INFORMED ON GOOD TECH.
I NEW A COUPLE GONNA PRACTICE THE REST

SHOUTIN OUT TEAM VARCITY

**blv** · 11-21-02, 1:53

how i get my car sideways (i call it sideways because techniquilly the car is umm... sideways) is to go in a corner hard, and back off suddenly. the back of the car comes out and to correct it just turn the wheel to opposite lock and nail it. this is in a turbo gen1. if that matters.

**parisifal** · 11-21-02, 21:03

That is simply loading the front end of your car allowing the rear to lighten. And since you are already turning, causing the momentum to work your rear wheels around and inducing a small slide.

In other words...a Ghetto-drift...hehe

In a FWD car it is just a small slide, if it was a RWD, as you are sliding, you can correct by apply alot of throttle, creating a get this...Power Slide. And if you can hold that slide for more than a few feet it becomes a drift.

You can also cause the same affect without going at the corner hard. Simply approach at any normal speed. Than suddenly tap the break in conjuction with pulling the e-brake and you will also induce a slide. Make sure your in second gear and power out of it, works especially good in the rain

12-27-02, 12:43

That was a good article parisfal. Thanks for taking the time to write it.

I think that there are a couple of things that I take exception with for beggners:

I agree that braking late and hard is important for experienced racers, however, itis more important that a begginer learn the line and optimize his EXIT SPEED, if he wants to acheive faster lap times.

To quote a NASA instructor "Braking late offers the least payoff in time, and the greatest chance for disaster"

Brake early at first, concentrate on your entry speed. Take notice of how fast you are going when you reach the corner exit. Keep entering that turn faster until your exit speed is less(from scrubbing speed off with steering) This should be your optimum speed. Only then should start moving your brake point closer in.

if you brake half a second later you may gain a hundreth of a second. But if you exit a corner 1mph faster than you competition into a straight, you will carry that 1mph all the way to the next turn, earing you .5 to a whole second over him.

Second, I would say never use the hand brake, even in an emergency. If you have lost control of your vehicle , it is dangerous to perfrom and "flips" to try to avoid other cars. They will not expect it. I was involved in a wreck because an integra tried just this manuver, and was broadsided by a datsun race car trying to get through. At 100+ mph, you should just be trying to get out alive, not save your car or do fancy stuff. The best thing you can do if you are spinning is CENTER THE WHEEL and LOCK UP THE TIRES. doing anything else(countersteering to save a hopeless spin, e-braking, hitting the gas) will make your trajectory wild and unpredictable to drivers behind you, and earn you a collision. better to hit a wall of tires and spend money on body work than getting hit and paying for hospital fees and a whole new car.

**Brandon696** · 1-20-03, 11:46

this whole thread has been very imformative!i remember reading that post (parsifal) a while back , i printed it out and treated it like a bible. that was a while back. was wondering if maybe you had time you could do a writeup for more experts? if its a burden to, id be very much will to pay a little bit.... cuz that lst post was pretty imformative, and helped me just a bit, but ive moved on to mor 'evasive' techniques. ive mastered the most basic of manuevers, the bootleg, a good bif of 'drifting', even the j-turn came rather easily to me. just for fun, heres a video of some FWD traysliding, gotta get me a pair of em! pretty sweet video.

Brandon

**parisifal** · 1-20-03, 21:18

I haven't had much time to do anyother write up.

Betwen school, job and my business i get pretty tied up. But I will start an intermediate/expert FAQ sometimes in a month or so. I'm going to get on a track for a few days and start writing all the stuff down. Been looking at the local SCCA for some more advice but they tend to practice far off. I will need alot more help to write the next level guide since I myself do not consider me an expert in any form of motorsport.

If anyone can help ,send me all your little tidbit and such so i can compile them all together in hope of creating an advance guide to road racing.

AutoX47 · 2-17-03, 22:00

Thanks for the article.

I've raced rear wheel (s10 and rx7) before, never fwd. The bits about hand breaking will help me out.

thanks

**Urethane** · 5-13-03, 12:47

Great stuff but I think you left out a major part in the 1G MX6 suspension that needs addressed: The 13 year old bushings. IF you can find them, replace everything rubber in the control arms and sway bars with poly and you'll be sittin pretty through the turns. I noticed a HUGE difference in just replacing my swaybar endlinks.

~urethane

**Urethane** · 5-13-03, 12:47

Great stuff but I think you left out a major part in the 1G MX6 suspension that needs addressed: The 13 year old bushings. IF you can find them, replace everything rubber in the control arms and sway bars with poly and you'll be sittin pretty through the turns. I noticed a HUGE difference in just replacing my swaybar endlinks.

~urethane

tenthton · 6-11-03, 13:56

hey y'all,

been floating around the board, haven't had too much a need to write in yet, but now need some advice and maybe share some of my info.

been taking my 6 (see sig, it's pretty stocky still yet) to some driver's events, all up at Watkins Glen (upstate NY) so far.

turned some good times comparatively, esp. in my last coupla sessions there. BUT THEN, i let my instructors drive the 6 and they unleashed this holy fury of 6 on unknowing or unbelieving bimmer's and porsche's...funny...turns out 6's can hang with the best in the corners (include 911 gt2 & z06's in that bunch), KL03 just gets smoked on straights & up the hills.

anyway, i'm still looking to get a little more from the car and improve my skills, and looking for other 6ers who might've had similar experiences, esp re: track tires, pressures, brake pads, you know stuff that has to be dialed in ON track day.

going to be running the 6 for another season at least (saving up for my E36 M3!)

8-15-03, 9:02

I've read that left foot braking is more useful in fwd than rwd. If you guys want more, check out "the secrets of solo racing" by Hank Watts.

projectracing · 12-21-03, 0:25

Hey guys I'm new to this site but aint new to the racing world
especially drifting. The 6 is a very capable machine, and can hang with the best. You can basically drift with almost any car. You just have to adjust your self to the situation. and use different methods. ie: Power drifting, Brake drifting, EB drifting, Fient, There is another type but can recall the name. All used for different situations types of cars or combining them together. You have to adjust basically for oversteer or understeer, or weather. I learned from a friend who is a great driver in any situation. For further info on drifting techniques, look up the Drift Bible DVD on ebay by the drift king. Great info from that dvd on how to drift. Just thought I would put some info out for peeps.

9-30-02, 12:11	#16 (permalink)
parisifal Join Date: Jul 2001 Location: iTrader: (0)	RIght, you can do it. But once again....TECHNICALLY SPEAKING....it is NOT possible to "drift" with FWD. It might look like a drift, it might sound like a drift and it'll probably smells like one, but TECHNICALLY speaking it is not considered a drift. Maybe i have not made that point clear. In all reasoning you can do it, but if you get down to the meat and potatoes it is not considered a drift...only to the extreme hard ass long time drifter, i'm not one of them so i'll say it's a drift. Hell you can look it up in a dictionary of some sort, it is not technically possible. Once again, I am not saying it's not, i'm just saying it is not considered to be drifting by the hardcore crowd (which i am not.) Just don't want to misinform anyone because if you were to say that you can drift with FWD and it was someone really hard cored they might laugh at you. Just like most of us would laugh at people that think a CAI will add 10hp (once again, it might in some situation, but normally and technically it should not.)
parisifal Join Date: Jul 2001 Location: iTrader: (0)	< C'est La Vie! >

9-30-02, 12:17	#17 (permalink)
foob Join Date: Nov 2001 Location: iTrader: (0)	Just mentioning a point I heard man.. take it easy.
foob Join Date: Nov 2001 Location: iTrader: (0)	Every gun that is made, every warship launched, every rocket fired signifies, in the final sense, a theft from those who hunger and are not fed, those who are cold and are not clothed. ~Dwight David Eisenhower, April 16, 1953. They that can give up essential liberty to obtain a little temporary safety deserve neither liberty nor safety. ~Benjamin Franklin I suppose it is tempting, if the only tool you have is a hammer, to treat everything as if it were a nail. ~Abraham Maslow

9-30-02, 14:23	#18 (permalink)
SlickSix311 Join Date: Nov 2001 Location: Jacksonville, FL Age: 24 iTrader: (0)	point well taken parisfal
	'96 Camry with the overheating window motor mod

10-17-02, 22:42	#19 (permalink)
gusstifla Location:	PARISIFAL, I'M A NEW MEMBER, BEGGINER DRIVER AND THANX . NICE TO BE INFORMED ON GOOD TECH. I NEW A COUPLE GONNA PRACTICE THE REST SHOUTIN OUT TEAM VARCITY
gusstifla Location:

11-21-02, 1:53	#20 (permalink)
blv Join Date: Oct 2002 Location: b r i s b a n e iTrader: (0)	how i get my car sideways (i call it sideways because techniquilly the car is umm... sideways) is to go in a corner hard, and back off suddenly. the back of the car comes out and to correct it just turn the wheel to opposite lock and nail it. this is in a turbo gen1. if that matters.
	'89 MX6 Turbo, 15.1 @ 94 mph -SOLD.... '90 RB20 S13 silvia, 202.7rwhp 13.62 @ 104 mph -SOLD '78 turbo CT90 postie bike. '76 KE30 CA18 DE-T corolla, 207.7rwhp 13.79 @ 97 mph

11-21-02, 21:03	#21 (permalink)
parisifal Join Date: Jul 2001 Location: iTrader: (0)	That is simply loading the front end of your car allowing the rear to lighten. And since you are already turning, causing the momentum to work your rear wheels around and inducing a small slide. In other words...a Ghetto-drift...hehe In a FWD car it is just a small slide, if it was a RWD, as you are sliding, you can correct by apply alot of throttle, creating a get this...Power Slide. And if you can hold that slide for more than a few feet it becomes a drift. You can also cause the same affect without going at the corner hard. Simply approach at any normal speed. Than suddenly tap the break in conjuction with pulling the e-brake and you will also induce a slide. Make sure your in second gear and power out of it, works especially good in the rain
parisifal Join Date: Jul 2001 Location: iTrader: (0)	< C'est La Vie! >

12-27-02, 12:43	#22 (permalink)
clock Location:	That was a good article parisfal. Thanks for taking the time to write it. I think that there are a couple of things that I take exception with for beggners: I agree that braking late and hard is important for experienced racers, however, itis more important that a begginer learn the line and optimize his EXIT SPEED, if he wants to acheive faster lap times. To quote a NASA instructor "Braking late offers the least payoff in time, and the greatest chance for disaster" Brake early at first, concentrate on your entry speed. Take notice of how fast you are going when you reach the corner exit. Keep entering that turn faster until your exit speed is less(from scrubbing speed off with steering) This should be your optimum speed. Only then should start moving your brake point closer in. if you brake half a second later you may gain a hundreth of a second. But if you exit a corner 1mph faster than you competition into a straight, you will carry that 1mph all the way to the next turn, earing you .5 to a whole second over him. Second, I would say never use the hand brake, even in an emergency. If you have lost control of your vehicle , it is dangerous to perfrom and "flips" to try to avoid other cars. They will not expect it. I was involved in a wreck because an integra tried just this manuver, and was broadsided by a datsun race car trying to get through. At 100+ mph, you should just be trying to get out alive, not save your car or do fancy stuff. The best thing you can do if you are spinning is CENTER THE WHEEL and LOCK UP THE TIRES. doing anything else(countersteering to save a hopeless spin, e-braking, hitting the gas) will make your trajectory wild and unpredictable to drivers behind you, and earn you a collision. better to hit a wall of tires and spend money on body work than getting hit and paying for hospital fees and a whole new car.
clock Location:

1-20-03, 11:46	#23 (permalink)
Brandon696 Join Date: Jun 2002 Location: Asheville, N.C Age: 22 iTrader: (0)	this whole thread has been very imformative!i remember reading that post (parsifal) a while back , i printed it out and treated it like a bible. that was a while back. was wondering if maybe you had time you could do a writeup for more experts? if its a burden to, id be very much will to pay a little bit.... cuz that lst post was pretty imformative, and helped me just a bit, but ive moved on to mor 'evasive' techniques. ive mastered the most basic of manuevers, the bootleg, a good bif of 'drifting', even the j-turn came rather easily to me. just for fun, heres a video of some FWD traysliding, gotta get me a pair of em! pretty sweet video. Brandon
	Yup, I'm Gay! http://www.totalRPM.com www.scandals-club.com

1-20-03, 21:18	#24 (permalink)
parisifal Join Date: Jul 2001 Location: iTrader: (0)	I haven't had much time to do anyother write up. Betwen school, job and my business i get pretty tied up. But I will start an intermediate/expert FAQ sometimes in a month or so. I'm going to get on a track for a few days and start writing all the stuff down. Been looking at the local SCCA for some more advice but they tend to practice far off. I will need alot more help to write the next level guide since I myself do not consider me an expert in any form of motorsport. If anyone can help ,send me all your little tidbit and such so i can compile them all together in hope of creating an advance guide to road racing.
parisifal Join Date: Jul 2001 Location: iTrader: (0)	< C'est La Vie! >

2-17-03, 22:00	#25 (permalink)
AutoX47 Join Date: Feb 2003 Location: NW chicago subs Age: 22 iTrader: (0)	Thanks for the article. I've raced rear wheel (s10 and rx7) before, never fwd. The bits about hand breaking will help me out. thanks
	Reached Mechanic Status! Major Overhaul 1996 Volvo 850 Turbo #47

5-13-03, 12:47	#26 (permalink)
Urethane Join Date: Apr 2003 Location: Boise, ID iTrader: (0)	Great stuff but I think you left out a major part in the 1G MX6 suspension that needs addressed: The 13 year old bushings. IF you can find them, replace everything rubber in the control arms and sway bars with poly and you'll be sittin pretty through the turns. I noticed a HUGE difference in just replacing my swaybar endlinks. ~urethane

5-13-03, 12:47	#27 (permalink)
Urethane Join Date: Apr 2003 Location: Boise, ID iTrader: (0)	Great stuff but I think you left out a major part in the 1G MX6 suspension that needs addressed: The 13 year old bushings. IF you can find them, replace everything rubber in the control arms and sway bars with poly and you'll be sittin pretty through the turns. I noticed a HUGE difference in just replacing my swaybar endlinks. ~urethane

6-11-03, 13:56	#28 (permalink)
tenthton Join Date: Sep 2001 Location: NYC iTrader: (0)	interest in a road racing thread? hey y'all, been floating around the board, haven't had too much a need to write in yet, but now need some advice and maybe share some of my info. been taking my 6 (see sig, it's pretty stocky still yet) to some driver's events, all up at Watkins Glen (upstate NY) so far. turned some good times comparatively, esp. in my last coupla sessions there. BUT THEN, i let my instructors drive the 6 and they unleashed this holy fury of 6 on unknowing or unbelieving bimmer's and porsche's...funny...turns out 6's can hang with the best in the corners (include 911 gt2 & z06's in that bunch), KL03 just gets smoked on straights & up the hills. anyway, i'm still looking to get a little more from the car and improve my skills, and looking for other 6ers who might've had similar experiences, esp re: track tires, pressures, brake pads, you know stuff that has to be dialed in ON track day. going to be running the 6 for another season at least (saving up for my E36 M3!)
tenthton Join Date: Sep 2001 Location: NYC iTrader: (0)	93 LS Black on Black - Hotshot CAI - PRD Short Throw - PRD RSTB - 22mm RSB - KYB GR2 - KVR Cad Rotors - Dunlop SP Sport 5000 - EBC Green Stuff

8-15-03, 9:02	#29 (permalink)
Yargk Location:	I've read that left foot braking is more useful in fwd than rwd. If you guys want more, check out "the secrets of solo racing" by Hank Watts.
Yargk Location:

12-21-03, 0:25	#30 (permalink)
projectracing Join Date: Jul 2003 Location: ohio Age: 29 iTrader: (0)	Drifting Hey guys I'm new to this site but aint new to the racing world especially drifting. The 6 is a very capable machine, and can hang with the best. You can basically drift with almost any car. You just have to adjust your self to the situation. and use different methods. ie: Power drifting, Brake drifting, EB drifting, Fient, There is another type but can recall the name. All used for different situations types of cars or combining them together. You have to adjust basically for oversteer or understeer, or weather. I learned from a friend who is a great driver in any situation. For further info on drifting techniques, look up the Drift Bible DVD on ebay by the drift king. Great info from that dvd on how to drift. Just thought I would put some info out for peeps.