A quite protest

[JC91MX6]

Originally Posted by thrasher

I mean it is generally only a small amount of people who fight... Personally I'd rather just send someone who gets worked up an automatic email that says "go outside internet whore!"...

I agree with this whole quiet boycott thing. It's true about how the 1g forums are becoming a place of fighting back and forth. I'll probably go post in it after this, for some reason. I think what is said above would work really good as well.

[Arkaine]

hahaha, i didn't know all this tension existed.
Sleep, aren't you like 50 anyways?

Originally Posted by Fastest95PGT

Did anyone else notice that they said "quite" instead of "quiet"?

Come on guys, chill.. it's the internet.

haha yeah I did, so i had to check it out

[1FIERCEGT]

Originally Posted by youngbecker

i say just let the fights go, they eventually die down and they are fun to read, or as soon as one begins just imediatly shut down thread

I know it is not popular to agree with youngbecker but I think the latter part of his comment has something to it. just think of the wasted space it will save(ie. from the ranting never ending quoting of "certain" members alone). i think that option is one to consider deeply.

[Panther37]

Everyone should know that if you have any problems with how I mod, please let me know. I can't believe this has got this far.

[SleepCounter]

Originally Posted by SleepCounter

My prediction, this thread does not have 24 more hours left in it.

I was wrong. My congrats to 'goon for having the fortitude and insight to leave it open.

Originally Posted by Jon

Whether or not Kirk actually got multiple PM's intrigues me (and I'm inclined to believe Kirk)

I got multiple pms from multiple users.

The ones that gr8 refers to were complaints I sent to a moderator regarding his behaviour along with his (the mod's) responses.

He (gr8ride) seems to have misapprehended them as warnings about my behaviour.

Evidently some/all of those pmails were posted in the mods' forum (so much for the sanctity of pmail, hay?) under the guise of being warnings about my behaviour and some/all of the mods, misapprehended them as such, just like M(y)x6gr8RiDe.

I do not have access to the mods' forum so I have no way to determine how many of the messages were posted and whether they were modified or edited to change the meaning or context.

By the sound of gr8RiDe's admission of "mistaken", it sounds like it doesn't much matter anyway, what was said, or with regard to whom. If the mod sponsoring the banishment considers it "bickering", no one else seems much inclined to examine the facts or the issues, just vote in favour of the motion.

If a "mistake" was made, so what? Just, "move on".

Originally Posted by M(y)x6gr8RiDe

Wow I spoke out of turn to answer questions of people who were concerned of you and damian's whereabouts...No one answered them so I did...

With some considerable ill-concealed glee. And with some considerably flawed justification.

Originally Posted by M(y)x6gr8RiDe

I was mistaken,

You and whichever mods participated in the star chamber hearing. Shame on you all.

Originally Posted by M(y)x6gr8RiDe

move on....

Is that what they teach you to say in moderator school when you futz up?

I suspect you would not subscribe to such advice had it been your plug that was pulled due to the petulence of some and the laziness/"mistakes" of others.

Originally Posted by JC91MX6

It's true about how the 1g forums are becoming a place of fighting back and forth.

This all began with a pmail complaint about a moderator making injudicious use of that STFU graphic (more often than ALL the unruly users put together).

Quis Custodiet Ipsos Custodes?

Originally Posted by Arkaine

hahaha, i didn't know all this tension existed.
Sleep, aren't you like 50 anyways?

Nope. And even if i was, you'd be transgressing the rules (The Rules) by posting someone's personal information.

Privacy - You will not violate a person's privacy by publishing against someone's will information that is private and personal.

So (as our esteemed mod would say) STFU.

Originally Posted by panther

Everyone should know that if you have any problems with how I mod, please let me know.

Are you serious? Do you really think anyone in their right mind would comply with that request after what's transpired?

What you ask is precisely what the rules (The Rules) demand.

Complaints - Users may disagree with the decisions or actions of the moderators and/or administrators. However disagreements and criticism may not be posted within the discussion forums.

And precisely what I did. Sent pmails to you on June 18, June 19 (2) and June 20 (2 more) and June 21 regarding your behaviour.

On June 21, about 2 hours after my last complaint, I was banned. What a co-incidence, hay?

Any idea why (now that we know the "repeated private messages from mods" is at best a mistake and at worst fiction)?

Maybe because, in addition to having adhered to the orange rule cited above, I also adhered to the one that asked me to:

Please contact Sean Mathis (Scooby) directly with issues regarding complaints or disagreement with moderator action. Keep in mind that complaints that are not supported with evidence, such as quotes and links to their source topics, will make it more difficult to respond.

Please tell me that does not have a bearing upon this issue.

Please.

Probetalk forums indeed.

Originally Posted by panther

I can't believe this has got this far.

Imagine my incredulity when I adhere to the rules, obey warnings (actually singular "warning") and still get banned.

Meanwhile a mod flouts the rules (plural rules) seemingly with impunity.

Did anyone say "double standard" or "noblesse oblige"?

Originally Posted by thick

Even though some might consider ones moderating skills, nun chuck skills, bo-staff skills as a great job, a vast majority (hypothetically speaking) have flooded anothers email and mentioned words like "gestapo" and "power trip"

Give some people a hammer and suddenly everything starts looking like a nail.

[Panther37]

Originally Posted by SleepCounter

And precisely what I did. Sent pmails to you on June 18, June 19 (2) and June 20 (2 more) and June 21 regarding your behaviour.
On June 21, about 2 hours after my last complaint, I was banned. What a co-incidence, hay?

You know what a seperate incident is, right? You guys would have got a temp ban reguardless. You had been bickering for too long. Luckily it seems to have stopped. Do you think I'm on a power trip? Do you know how many times I stop my self from doing what I want to do so I can try and do the impartial thing? I really want to compare you and Damian but it really wouldn't be right of me to do it since I'd probably end up be nice in the post and flame. So my question to you is this, do you honestly think you cand do a better job of modding than I can. If you honestly think you can, I'll talk to scooby about it and we'll see how you do, if the other mods accept you as a trial mod.

[imagoonmx6]

Originally Posted by SleepCounter

Quis Custodiet Ipsos Custodes?

I am. On thing that worries me Sleep is you still seem to believe that this is your duty.

~Chris

[imagoonmx6]

One this that will assist in this issue is that I have reinstated the Warning system. I spend a few days poking around in the database to get it to work again so everything will be save and documented in the warnings system. Everyone of the warnings can contested with me if you wish but with this new system any contested warning (with me) will be final once a make a desision. I don't hide my email address nor my AIM account so feel free to discuss things with me.

~Chris

[Levi-GT]

I haven't been in the 1G forum in "quiet" some time so I can't really address that situation but...

it was a 3 day ban from an internet forum. Are you telling me that this site is SO important to you that you're upset over not having it for 3 days?

I'm surprised that there was no killing spree when the site went down for nearly a month during the switch to vb3.

I like yall, but seriously, settle down. A 3 day ban isn't even a slap on the wrist, its more like when you're training a kitty cat and you spray them with a water bottle. Woopdie freakin doo...

[ckozlgod]

Originally Posted by Levi-GT

I haven't been in the 1G forum in "quiet" some time so I can't really address that situation but...

it was a 3 day ban from an internet forum. Are you telling me that this site is SO important to you that you're upset over not having it for 3 days?

I'm surprised that there was no killing spree when the site went down for nearly a month during the switch to vb3.

I like yall, but seriously, settle down. A 3 day ban isn't even a slap on the wrist, its more like when you're training a kitty cat and you spray them with a water bottle. Woopdie freakin doo...

No kidding, you guys have to understand that this type of behavior isn't appropriate and IMHO gives this site a bad image. Think of the noobs who will see these things and not want to comeback. Not only the noobs but even us vet's who see this type of behavior and I have to tell you it hurts this sites image.

I can understand if there is frustration/confusion on BOTH sides...but there is no need to keep it flowing any longer. Please just tone it down and settle this appropriately.

[Lambera]

Free the Jews!

[SleepCounter]

Originally Posted by Panther37

You know what a seperate incident is, right?

So this communication regarding your behaviour was unrelated to my being banned?

Why would you post it in the mods area if it was unrelated?

Did you try to pass it off as warnings, or did gr8ride just jump to that conclusion without any reason therefore?

Were they complete and unedited or did you just take the parts that supported your contention?

Originally Posted by panther

You guys would have got a temp ban reguardless.

Without so much as a warning?

Are you claiming the timing of my complaints to Scooby (2 days - 2 hours before I got banned) was just a coincidence?

Yeah, right.

Originally Posted by panther

You had been bickering for too long.

But not long enough to get a warning. Just long enough to get a ban.

A warning?!? Cripes, you admitting having overreacted (june 19). you were having a good laugh about my post (june 20) and trying to give me karma for it (june 20).

Then you found out I cc:ed Scooby (june 20). Then I got my plug pulled (june 21).

Did all that stuff get posted in the mods area? Or just selected parts?

Something is wrong with this picture.

• the mod snivels and threatens because I don't report "bad" posts
• there is no rule compelling me to report "bad" posts
• the rules *DO* compel me to keep my complaints regarding mod behaviour out of the forums
• when I do take my complaints to Scooby in compliance with the rules, I get canned (strictly a coincidence, hay?)
• it would seem that my definition of bickering and yours are different, why don't we just use your definition?
• there is no rule regarding bickering, so we cannot give a warning -- let's just suspend him!

Originally Posted by panther

Luckily it seems to have stopped.

What you call "bickering" had stopped well before the ban. Funny how that ban happened anyway, hay?

Right after you found out I had complained to Scooby. What a coincidence!

Originally Posted by panther

Do you think I'm on a power trip?

Nope, that's not what I think.

I won't say what I do think 'cuz that will not only sound ad hominem ('goon kinda intimated that this would be more productive if we stuck to actions rather than people).

Plus I think my honest opinion, were it offered, would make you unhappy and resentful.

Bad things happen to my account when you're unhappy and resentful.

Originally Posted by panther

Do you know how many times I stop my self from doing what I want to do so I can try and do the impartial thing?

I can tell you about one occasion when you failed to do the impartial thing.

I had always thought that "a mod doing the impartial thing" and "a mod doing what he wanted to do" would amount to the same thing. Are you claiming that they are mutually exclusive?

Maybe I set my expectations too high.

Originally Posted by panther

I really want to compare you and Damian but it really wouldn't be right of me to do it since I'd probably end up be nice in the post and flame.

Sorry, unable to parse that.

Try to comply with 'goon's request and avoid personalities.

I think 'goon would prefer we dealt with actions and try to leave aside personalities aside for now.

Originally Posted by panther

So my question to you is this, do you honestly think you cand do a better job of modding than I can.

No effin' way!! Do you have any idea what mods have to put up with?

But I cannot imagine anyone doing a worse job than what you did on June 21. Is that what Goatcrapp calls "an episode"?

My question to you is this, why did you post my pmail in the mods forum when it was not even about my actions, but rather about yours?

Originally Posted by panther

If you honestly think you can, I'll talk to scooby about it and we'll see how you do, if the other mods accept you as a trial mod.

Sorry, I'd have to give up my ignore list in order to do that. I think that doing so would test my sanity.

Do you miss yours?

Originally Posted by goon

I am. On thing that worries me Sleep is you still seem to believe that this is your duty.

Panther has asked me (more than once) to report posts that transgressed the rules.

His post transgressed several rules.

I reported it to Scooby, as per the rules.

Then I got suspended. Two hours later.

I know Goatcrapp likes to dismiss my adherence to the rules as "semantics".

I'm just trying to understand how all this happened 3 months after I received my *ONLY* warning (since we lost the warning system).

I'm still trying to understand why my (private, I thought) complaints about a moderator's actions ended up in the mods forum and somehow became the basis for my suspension.

It certainly looks to me like whoever was monitoring the monitors was listening to only one side of the story, yes. Or maybe only half listening. Or maybe being told only half the truth. Or half-truths.

One thing that worries me is you still seem to believe that you heard the entire story (or enough thereof) by discussing only with the mod involved.

A mod who has just acknowledged that the "impartial thing" is something different from what he "wants to do".

Was there any review of his transgressions that were the subject of my complaints? Any penalty? Any suspension?

Do you feel, like panther, that the timing of my suspension, 2 hours after the last of those 6 complaint emails, was just a coincidence?

Do the rules apply differently to mods than to members?

Originally Posted by 'goon

One this that will assist in this issue is that I have reinstated the Warning system.

Can't see it helping in this instance, maybe in future. Are mods liable for warnings or just members?

Originally Posted by 'goon

I spend a few days poking around in the database to get it to work again so everything will be save and documented in the warnings system.

I think that will be welcomed by everyone, members and mods alike.

Unless the mods will be held accountable for their actions. Some may not like that. I know at least one that doesn't.

Originally Posted by 'goon

Everyone of the warnings can contested with me if you wish but with this new system any contested warning (with me) will be final once a make a desision.

Will people still be susceptible to suspension without any warnings?

If so, I think that makes the whole idea farcical.

What about the rule that implores us to:

Please contact Sean Mathis (Scooby) directly with issues regarding complaints or disagreement with moderator action. Keep in mind that complaints that are not supported with evidence, such as quotes and links to their source topics, will make it more difficult to respond.

Is this rule now redundant?

Originally Posted by 'goon

I don't hide my email address nor my AIM account so feel free to discuss things with me.

No response yet to my most recent (and possibly most coherent) email of June 22.

Originally Posted by Levi-GT

it was a 3 day ban from an internet forum. Are you telling me that this site is SO important to you that you're upset over not having it for 3 days?

Nope, that's not what I'm telling you at all. Reading comprehension D-.

This whole thing is about character, integrity and truth. Maybe you hadn't cottoned on to that because those three items are in such short supply around here. Or maybe you think stuff like that doesn't matter.

Originally Posted by ckozlgod

you guys have to understand that this type of behavior isn't appropriate and IMHO gives this site a bad image.

What kind of behaviour is that?

Banning people for actions that didn't even merit a warning?

Posting (parts of?) people's pmail?

Having "episodes"?

Yeah, I'd have to agree, if I'd seen stuff like what's gone on here over the last couple of weeks when I first arrived here, I'd have probably moved on.

I think mods who "would place most of you on ignore" and mods for whom "doing the impartial thing" is more difficult than "doing what I want to do" make their own significant contribution to any "bad image" this site might have gained.

Originally Posted by ckozlgod

I can understand if there is frustration/confusion on BOTH sides...but there is no need to keep it flowing any longer. Please just tone it down and settle this appropriately.

This whole thing is about character, integrity and truth.

Those attributes seem to be having a difficult time finding their way to the surface.

Count the number of question raised in this post. And see how many of them (if any) get answered.

[Fastest95PGT]

I vote SleepCounter for the longest post evAr award of 2005.

[Panther37]

You reported my misconduct to scooby and told me about it later instead of only talkting to me about it. I ask you to report anyhing that happens and you agree. Then, SixSick6 posts his middle finger and tells you to stick it up your ass and you don't even report that. I tell you to STFU and he tells you to shove his middle finger up his ass. Which is worse? Which one did you report? I'll ask you more questions after I hear your response. No, I change my mind. This thread isn't in my forum so I don't have to play mod here. You can't stop arguing and leave well enough alone. Where is Damian? Do you think I was the only mod that made the decision to ban you two? No it was the decision of multiple mods. So just move on. Oh, I know where Damian is; he moved on. Now it's your turn.

[SixSick6]

I'm drinking a Coke.

First off- That was not my middle finger, it was a random google image of someone else's middle finger. You can easily go back, click properties, and the rightful owner will be givin credit.

Second off- I never told him to shove anything up his ass. I told him to shove it up his ASSumption. His ASSumption that the whole spark plug thread wasn't written by me. His ASSumption was that while the first paragraph was similar, that the whole thing must have been ripped off, which it hadn't. If we were to argue semantics further, Id say, sure, the first paragraph is similar and some of the wordage was probably fresh.

BUT, the rest of the thread was my wordage.