A quite protest

[Jon]

I don't feel like positing in the 1G forum anymore, its become too much like probetalks forums.

It seems to me that poor panther has been overworked, and is resorting to unwarranted force.

The 1G guys are no more unruly than the 2G ones, yet I don't see 3 stickys about getting banned.

And a public warning thread? Give me a break.

--Jon

EDIT: Fexid spelen.

[lnlogauge]

Im with Jon completely on this. I read the warnings before it was changed, and the reasons were because one of them corrected the others spelling. Seriously, what are we resorting to?

Hey jon, its quiet, not quite

[SixSick6]

Anyone who gets angry IRL over teh internet needs to spend a little more time outside. Even though some might consider ones moderating skills, nun chuck skills, bo-staff skills as a great job, a vast majority (hypothetically speaking) have flooded anothers email and mentioned words like "gestapo" and "power trip"

[Jon]

Originally Posted by SixSick6

Anyone who gets angry IRL over teh internet needs to spend a little more time outside. Even though some might consider ones moderating skills, nun chuck skills, bo-staff skills as a great job, a vast majority (hypothetically speaking) have flooded anothers email and mentioned words like "gestapo" and "power trip"

You almost made me spit out my pepsi

"its pretty much my favorite animal."

[SixSick6]

j0n- as to your other post that someone shouldn't be banned based on their intelligence level? That is completely irrelevant.

Case in point (thanks Kirk)- I work with many surgeons who are BRILLIANT, some might say borderline insane. They may be highly intelligent and highly skilled in their field, they suck at life otherwise and are complete A-Holes to everyone around them. Nobody likes a know-it-all, even if they're right most of the time.

Bottom line is a simple fact, rules are rules and are meant to be followed/broken.

Right OutOfHand?

[Justin]

Originally Posted by Mazdaman92

Comment Withheld

Quit whoring!Oh and you 1g guys are crazy.

[thrasher]

Originally Posted by Djlockjaw80

Quit whoring!Oh and you 1g guys are crazy.

crazy like a fox!

I agree we need to step down the whole gaint warning system thing, I mean it is generally only a small amount of people who fight. Perhaps a banning should be tossed someones way a little easier when warrented (i'm not going to touch the last issue).

Personally I'd rather just send someone who gets worked up an automatic email that says "go outside internet whore!", like a button beside the report bad post or whatever. Maybe thats more for my entertainment lol.

Being a mod is a tough job, and i repect the people who are willing to give up their free time to do it.

[1FIERCEGT]

Originally Posted by Jon

I don't feel like positing in the 1G forum anymore, its become too much like probetalks forums.

It seems to me that poor panther has been overworked, and is resorting to unwarranted force.

The 1G guys are no more unruly than the 2G ones, yet I don't see 3 stickys about getting banned.

And a public warning thread? Give me a break.

--Jon

EDIT: Fexid spelen.

Actually I had the same thought but was afraid to bring it up, quite the catch 22. Especially agree with the last statement, I mean this is not kindergarten where you get the old" well if no one is gonna confess then you will all be punished" mentallity...that is plain rediculious.

[SleepCounter]

Originally Posted by Jon

I don't feel like positing in the 1G forum anymore, its become too much like probetalks forums.

Users may disagree with the decisions or actions of the moderators and/or administrators. However disagreements and criticism may not be posted within the discussion forums.

Originally Posted by Jon

It seems to me that poor panther has been overworked, and is resorting to unwarranted force.

Users may disagree with the decisions or actions of the moderators and/or administrators. However disagreements and criticism may not be posted within the discussion forums.

Originally Posted by Jon

The 1G guys are no more unruly than the 2G ones, yet I don't see 3 stickys about getting banned.

Users may disagree with the decisions or actions of the moderators and/or administrators. However disagreements and criticism may not be posted within the discussion forums.

Originally Posted by Jon

And a public warning thread? Give me a break.

Users may disagree with the decisions or actions of the moderators and/or administrators. However disagreements and criticism may not be posted within the discussion forums.

Originally Posted by inlogauge

Im with Jon completely on this.

Users may disagree with the decisions or actions of the moderators and/or administrators. However disagreements and criticism may not be posted within the discussion forums.

Originally Posted by inlogauge

I read the warnings before it was changed, and the reasons were because one of them corrected the others spelling. Seriously, what are we resorting to?

Users may disagree with the decisions or actions of the moderators and/or administrators. However disagreements and criticism may not be posted within the discussion forums.

Originally Posted by thick

Anyone who gets angry IRL over teh internet needs to spend a little more time outside.

Users may disagree with the decisions or actions of the moderators and/or administrators. However disagreements and criticism may not be posted within the discussion forums.

Originally Posted by thick

Even though some might consider ones moderating skills, nun chuck skills, bo-staff skills as a great job, a vast majority (hypothetically speaking) have flooded anothers email and mentioned words like "gestapo" and "power trip"

Users may disagree with the decisions or actions of the moderators and/or administrators. However disagreements and criticism may not be posted within the discussion forums.

Originally Posted by thick

Case in point (thanks Kirk)-

Yer welcome! And thanks for the

Originally Posted by thick

I work with many surgeons who are BRILLIANT, some might say borderline insane. They may be highly intelligent and highly skilled in their field, they suck at life otherwise and are complete A-Holes to everyone around them.

Let's be clear, here. We're talking about surgeons, right?

Originally Posted by thick

Nobody likes a know-it-all, even if they're right most of the time.

Everybody likes the chance to kick one, though, when they can't kick back.

Originally Posted by thick

Bottom line is a simple fact, rules are rules and are meant to be followed/broken.

Right OutOfHand?

Users may disagree with the decisions or actions of the moderators and/or administrators. However disagreements and criticism may not be posted within the discussion forums.

Originally Posted by thrasher

I agree we need to step down the whole gaint warning system thing, I mean it is generally only a small amount of people who fight. Perhaps a banning should be tossed someones way a little easier when warrented.

Et tu, Lee!

Originally Posted by fierce

Actually I had the same thought but was afraid to bring it up, quite the catch 22.

Users may disagree with the decisions or actions of the moderators and/or administrators. However disagreements and criticism may not be posted within the discussion forums.

Catch 22, indeed.

Originally Posted by fierce

Especially agree with the last statement, I mean this is not kindergarten where you get the old" well if no one is gonna confess then you will all be punished" mentallity...that is plain rediculious.

Users may disagree with the decisions or actions of the moderators and/or administrators. However disagreements and criticism may not be posted within the discussion forums.

My prediction, this thread does not have 24 more hours left in it.

[imagoonmx6]

Originally Posted by SleepCounter

Users may disagree with the decisions or actions of the moderators and/or administrators. However disagreements and criticism may not be posted within the discussion forums.

Since this is not just a discussion forum, it is a site Comments forums I would generally allow these types of messages to be posted here.

Rather than complain though I would like to see any of you come up with a better way of handling it. If you have a broad criticism of the site this forum is the correct place to place it, as long as it is intellgent well thought out criticism. "This place sucks" is not likely to get you anywhere. But things like I dont like how 1st gen is handled because of a) b) c) is more likely to be discussed by the admin and mod staff.

This forum is not the place to post one on one posts like youngbeckers post about Panther. A concern that involves a single moderator should be discussed with a admin via pm or email.

~Chris

[Jon]

Well, the original warning system seemed to work quite well, but I guess that is still MIA since the server change.

I think the biggest issue is that there are only a few people in 1G that cause trouble, yet the moderation staff has cracked down hard on everyone, and it feels like probetalk in there.

Thats a scary thought.

[Goatcrapp]

Originally Posted by SleepCounter

tripe

did it EVER occur to you, that your continued participation in fued with the member you refer to as "thick" is what brought the situation to a head in the first place?

did it EVER occur to you that the rest of us are SICK AND TIRED of seeing the constant baiting by you, in referring to him as thick when you quote, as well as his inevitable retorts when baited?

this whole farkin thread is pathetic.. where's the wahmbulance.



Jon - regarding the unruliness of the 2g guys - yes, yes they are. There is at least as much misbehavior in the 2g forums...

HOWEVER - this episode wasn't about any single instance.. the one thing the 2g forums does not have that the 1g forum does - is the constant and consistent fued among the same few members.

you will not find constant references to another member, baiting him along, in threads he hasnt participated in.

you will not find constant intentional mispellings of a member's name, and you will not find the aptitude with which a topic can be brought off topic.

the collection of egos is about the same among 1g to 2g membhers, however, having just recently (february) joined the 1g club, and becoming a regular in those forums from that point, i must say - the egos are FAR more beligerent, high handed, and condescending in the 1g arena...

The tension was invading other threads at will (for instance the street racing thread.. why was there ANY need, in the very first post, to bring "thick" into it (and as such), even if it were just to say "on this point we ACTUALLY agree" ?) why the hell should someone in the lounge, or wherver, have to be exposed to the tension present between two or more members, because of some stupid little fued they refuse to let go of in another area of the site? that brings down the whole site - and more than one participant in this thread, aside from sleep and sick, are a part of that fued...

we can argue semantics (in regards to the verbiage of the rules, the way they are enforced, etc) all we want but more than one of us (i'll include myself here, we've all had our episodes on this site) have become maddeningly intolerable, and regardless of the wealth of knowledge any one person might represent, it gets to the point where i would place most of you on ignore if it were acceptable, as a mod, to do so.

some of you have a serious problem simply being decent, and getting the hell over this whole intarweb thing.

[M(y)x6gr8RiDe]

some of you are the very cause of this whole episode

[SixSick6]

Kirk and I actually communicated back and forth the whole while everyone was makign a media circus out of nothing. I guess it could/would be expected, afterall, the Michael Jackson case was already yesterday's news.

[SleepCounter]

Originally Posted by goon

Since this is not just a discussion forum, it is a site Comments forums I would generally allow these types of messages to be posted here.

Well, from the polarization that seems to have developed over the last few days, I think that's a good idea to air these issues.

But I've seen four or five threads addressing these issues and they seem all to be closed now. Including this thread (Where did SleepCounter's Street Racing = Death thread go?) in this same forum.

If a person didn't know better they'd think these types of messages were being discouraged. As fierce said, "Catch 22"

Originally Posted by goon

Rather than complain though I would like to see any of you come up with a better way of handling it.

Consistent, transparent enforcement of the rules. Graduated warning system.

This was right out of the blue, for me, anyway.

Originally Posted by goon

If you have a broad criticism of the site this forum is the correct place to place it, as long as it is intellgent well thought out criticism. "This place sucks" is not likely to get you anywhere.

I would not invest my time and money if it sucked.

Or even if it was benign.

This place rocks. That's why I invest my time and money here.

Originally Posted by goon

But things like I dont like how 1st gen is handled because of a) b) c) is more likely to be discussed by the admin and mod staff.

a) old warning system was predictable, consistent and transparent. What happened last week was none of those.

Someone in the mods forum has seemingly propagated some misinformation about my having received "repeated private messages from the mods" when there was, in fact, one message. Three months ago.

b) new system seems arbitrary (if someone becomes "maddeningly intolerable" they can get the boot, irrespective on any rules broken or not broken, any warnings given or not given).

Originally Posted by imagoonmx6

If you have a broad criticism of the site this forum is the correct place to place it, as long as it is intellgent well thought out criticism. ... ... ...
This forum is not the place to post one on one posts like youngbeckers post about Panther.

'Splain that to Goatcrapp.

Originally Posted by goatcrapp

Now that's the kind of contribution we need from our mods. The kind of insightful analysis that has made this place what it is today.

Originally Posted by goat

did it EVER occur to you, that your continued participation in fued with the member you refer to as "thick" is what brought the situation to a head in the first place?

You talkin' to me? You talkin' to ME?

If so, (a) no, it didn't occur to me, (b) participation in any "fued" was, if anything, sporadic and (c) I agree with Damien far more often than disagree. I tickle his as often as the system allows, always positive.

It is evident that some of the mods would much prefer youngbecker-style three-word posts over meaningful dialogue.

Originally Posted by goat

did it EVER occur to you that the rest of us are SICK AND TIRED of seeing the constant baiting by you, in referring to him as thick when you quote, as well as his inevitable retorts when baited?

I'm not certain that you are empowered to speak for everyone. Are you speaking for Jon? If "the rest of us" is just referring to the mods, then i suggest to you that that the mods can make this a pretty lonely place in a very short time by presuming that their opinions represent those of the usership.

Originally Posted by goat

this whole farkin thread is pathetic.. where's the wahmbulance.

You could always close it or delete it.

Originally Posted by goat

the egos are FAR more beligerent, high handed, and condescending in the 1g arena...

How 'bout the mods?

I think it behooves me to mention at this time that, contrary to what many have speculated on, panther did *NOT* (to the best of my knowledge) perform the plug-pulling.

Originally Posted by goat

The tension was invading other threads at will (for instance the street racing thread..

There is no street racing thread.

Originally Posted by goat

why was there ANY need, in the very first post, to bring "thick" into it (and as such), even if it were just to say "on this point we ACTUALLY agree" ?)

Are you intimating we should limit our posts to topics upon which we disagree? I think he has a modicum of credibility around here. I like to think that, on a topic this important (important to me, anyway, maybe not to you) it doesn't hurt to invoke that credibility.

Evidently others think otherwise.

Originally Posted by goat

why the hell should someone in the lounge, or wherver, have to be exposed to the tension present between two or more members, because of some stupid little fued they refuse to let go of in another area of the site?

Anyone in the lounge (or wherever) has access to the ignore list. They are only exposed to whichever feuds (stupid or otherwise, little or otherwise) they choose to be exposed to.

Originally Posted by goat

that brings down the whole site - and more than one participant in this thread, aside from sleep and sick, are a part of that fued...

Disagree, wholeheartedly.

When we disagree (and we do, from time to time), the resulting discourse/dialogue (some might call it feuding, but they're missing the point altogether) raises the value of the site -- brings out facts and information that might otherwise not surface.

Originally Posted by goat

we can argue semantics (in regards to the verbiage of the rules, the way they are enforced, etc) all we want but more than one of us (i'll include myself here, we've all had our episodes on this site) have become maddeningly intolerable, and regardless of the wealth of knowledge any one person might represent, it gets to the point where i would place most of you on ignore if it were acceptable, as a mod, to do so.

While I might carp about the way some mods do their jobs, I appreciate them doing their jobs nonetheless.

Especially panther, who derives no real value from attending here, being (as it were) sixless.

This place would be a total waste of time/bedlam without them.

That being said, if you would prefer "most of us" on your ignore list, I would wonder at your preference (not to mention your suitability) of remaining a mod.

You do have a choice.

Originally Posted by goat

some of you have a serious problem simply being decent, and getting the hell over this whole intarweb thing.

Some mods have difficulty adhering to the very rules they are entrusted to enforce.

But we're all human, as you've said just know, "We've all had our episodes".

But someone, somewhere is making things up in trying to justify my being banned. Note where M(y)x6gr8RiDe justifies my ban here (Where did SleepCounter's Street Racing = Death thread go?) on the basis of "Constantly bickering and blatantly calling out another person even after repeated private messages from mods".

I agree that someone who does that "even after repeated private messages from mods" deserves to spend a few days in the cooler. I bet you do, as well.

Trouble is, that isn't me.

I have only had one private message from one mod (on April Fool's day) this year.

I presume that M(y)x6gr8RiDe got his "repeated private messages" info from the mods forum and have no idea who propagated such fluff, but obviously M(y)x6gr8RiDe, for one, has bought into it.

Some mod/mods obviously has/have "a serious problem simply being decent" as well.

You know who, I don't.

Originally Posted by M(y)x6gr8RiDe

some of you are the very cause of this whole episode

I think 'goon was hoping for something a little more constructive than that.

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