am not a close friends of defiler.don't know him much either.but i deal with him a few times and i saw him selling parts for YEARS now.no one ever got issue with him(not that i know of....)
and to let everyone know,i don't know nothing about the sell he did lately.am not aware of the deal going thru either.knowing that,i still think is not suppose to work this way.
now why this pissing me off
"I will re open your threads when you responde to my PM about proof of shipping for an item I have not recieved yet."
that's we call a power trip buddy!!!
why not exchange on the thread you buy the parts with him like everyone else do here.like we always do for years.all this could be done publicly without closing every thread the guys open like to show everyone "he,you should not buy from him for now...AM waiting part"
defiler have a perfect itrader rating.100%
now you put this perfect rating on hold.why?because a mod waiting for part
this is not right at all!!!
i sell/buy part with zach (a mod here) who sometimes take forever to get to him(or me ).HE NEVER CLOSE MY THREAD BECAUSE OF THAT.
i wait over a month for the flange i bought from ze power mx6.i was not worry at all.....he deal everyday without problem here....hey!! shipping sometimes take longer than a few days.we can't do nothing about that.
you know what?you remember me "crisom red" or something on pt.not good at all imo
you put new picture rules..for everyone here..even those who sell parts here well before you got your driver license..ok then
but we don't need those kind of action here.we never have to.closing thread of fellow member like that is not appropriate.not right!!
one thing is sure...i will think twice now before dealing with a mod....
Well look at this way. One stuff up of a sale, is enough to ruin 100 good sales. If it was a regular member then they would be going to a mod, and if the mod felt that it really had been to long, saw evidence of wrong doing, they would close the other threads of the person in the wrong. Especially if they are not replying to PM's, and yet they have been online. Most of the time these things are a misunderstanding (or once the person gets caught they become a misunderstanding...) but you can never know.
We can only assume that Lambera gave due process and time to Defiler to ship the item and communicate. If Defiler didnt follow through and is avoiding messages, then he is in his right to close the threads and inform public.
Threads like this only make the issue more public though dont forget. Which im sure Defiler wouldnt appreciate it, especially if it is just a misunderstanding.
We can only assume that Lambera gave due process and time to Defiler to ship the item and communicate
Actually, I was also only given ONE DAY to deal with this. I got a message when I logged on yesterday, looked for stuff, couldnt find it, then I see this happened today. Even Zach didnt close the thread where he almost got ripped off on for 2 weeks. Some of us have lives, and dont have everything in perfect oder with thier paperwork. I got the message, and have been trying to dig thru my mass of receipts to find the info. maybe a little bit of TIME would have been nice.
just because someone is online all weekend doesnt mean I am too. I have a life. Ive only been home for a few hours so far today, and a few yesterday. Things take time.. This is a weekend, people have things they are out and doing.
Just because someone is a mod doesnt make them special over everyone else. I'm sure if this was anyone else I sold to it wouldnt have happened like this. or anyone else selling for that matter.
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Especially if they are not replying to PM's, and yet they have been online. Most of the time these things are a misunderstanding (or once the person gets caught they become a misunderstanding...) but you can never know.
Well... with tabbed browsing and homepage favorites now on Internet explorer (like in ym case) if my wife brings up the internet, mx6.com is set as one of the 6 homepages and loads automatically. I have all my passwords saved, so Im logged in whenever she brings up the internet. This would show multiple logins by me a day, when I havent really been on myself.
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defiler have a perfect itrader rating.100%
I have perfect ratings on every site Im a member of, including Egay.
Im going to have to second Fred's motion on this.
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you know what?you remember me "crisom red" or something on pt.not good at all imo
I dont think Ive ever heard anyone compared to that douchebag before But yeah, that guy is a complete dick on a power trip. He'll start an argument with someone, then if they disagree, he'll ban them
But whatever. Since a certain someone is going to be impatient and on a powertrip, Ill just refund thier money now to avoid a hassle. Check your paypal and re-open my threads.\ I expect for the money to be returned when the package arrives. And Ill even post the proof of shipment for the public tomorrow in this thread when I locate it.
Oh and next time, dont be an impatient dick, seriously. I sent the [shizzle] USPS; theyre notorious for slow shipping. I sent it on 8/8 (maybe 8/7) thats maybe 6 or 7 shipping days. I know I have been a culprit of slow shipping before, but this is ridiculous.
-I can understand the message, but closing ALL my threads is a bit over-the-top. Maybe asking for the info in the thread would be a better way to alert people to anything happening.
Anyone wanting to buy, if my threads dont get unlocked, since my threads are still there, just PM me if you're interested in parts.
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one thing is sure...i will think twice now before dealing with a mod....
I for sure will be hesistant, if I even do anymore. It's going to be a sad day when I start offering my parts to the guys on PP first instead of on here, as I do now. (And anyone who knows me knows I HATE the mods on there, with a passion)
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am not a close friends of defiler.don't know him much either.but i deal with him a few times and i saw him selling parts for YEARS now.no one ever got issue with him(not that i know of....)
I have had 2 issues...
1- Sold Damien a laptop and IC pipe. Laptop got damaged during shipping. I returned his money immediately.
2- Sold Ademan some manifold flanges. Tracking confirmed they made it to his post office and were attempted to deliver to his house, but they never left a note, and then the local office lost the package. I returned his money also.
But both of those were resolved as soon as I could handle them.
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Threads like this only make the issue more public though dont forget. Which im sure Defiler wouldnt appreciate it, especially if it is just a misunderstanding.
It is a misunderstanding, but I dont mid the thread being made. BS like this needs to be called out and dealt with.
So for all of you thinking "TL;DR", in a nutshell, it's complete BS that Im having to defend myself in here over someone being impatient.
. It's going to be a sad day when I start offering my parts to the guys on PP first instead of on here, as I do now. (And anyone who knows me knows I HATE the mods on there, with a passion)
off topic ,but I am startnig to be right there w/ on that tony
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if a mod PM's you... a prompt response is required. We know exactly when the PM is read, therefore we know when to expect an answer.
If someone hasn't logged on in 3 days - we wait those three days. If someone logs in, is actively posting in other threads, and a full 24 hours of this goes by without a response... then that's already more than enough leeway. I understand things take time. a response to a moderator's questions however.. takes no time once you've read it.. even if your response is "i''ll have an answer later today"
The problem isn't the shipping speed.. its the fact that when you are PM'd by a mod.. you take the time to answer it as soon as you read it... even if its a quick blurb.
ignoring a PM from a mod is the quickest way to receive an ultimatum. I'm sorry if this rubs anyone the wrong way, but at the same time... the only people who seem to have a problem with the stricter rules are the ones who have had complaints against them from a buyer.
I'm not here to judge... merely to say - the FS section has much much stiffer rules now because of all the scams that found their way to this site. Can't follow them? Don't sell. Don't like them? Don't sell. These stiffer requirements and rules are not going to change... feel free to leave if you can't handle that.
Some people like being proactive in helping a community *improve* - and trust me.. the FS section needed dire improvement.
Other people like to complain.
Fred lite... defiler is a big boy. I'm pretty sure he doesn't need you picking up his battles. He is perfectly capable of PMing myself, Justin, Scooby, or the moderator in question, directly with his concerns... in fact, as far as you knew when you started this thread - you had no clue if it was being settled via PM.
Feel free to mind your own business instead of stirring the pot next time... and you can thank me later for not posting an infraction.
94 mx6 - you name it - I did it, came up with it, tried it and rejected it or just plain still have it. 93 mx3 - klze, i/h/e, rims and paint.. daily driver. 98 jeep GC - 5.9L with bolt ons, lifted, locked. 32x10.5 Goodyear MTR winter/ 30x9.5 bfg ta/ko summer
ignoring a PM from a mod is the quickest way to receive an ultimatum. I'm sorry if this rubs anyone the wrong way, but at the same time... the only people who seem to have a problem with the stricter rules are the ones who have had complaints against them from a buyer.
Except for the fact I never got an ultimatum. Just BAM; threads locked. this was just a blatant, sad display of power and impatience by a moderator and a total lack of the due process.You just dont jump straight to locking people's threads because yopu're pissed at nopt getting an aswer. Thats stupid, childish, and should be above a moderator.
First it's this today, what about tomorrow? Someone doesnt answer in 20minutes and is going to get banned for it?
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if a mod PM's you... a prompt response is required. We know exactly when the PM is read, therefore we know when to expect an answer.
I dont give a [fizzle] if he's a mod or not. In this instance, he's just another person I have done business with and sold to. Him being a mod doesnt put him on top of my priority list to deal with. Same would go for you if I was dealing with you.
If this would have been a moderator asking about something that has to with what a moderator's job is, I would have responded. Him being just another buyer is what the PM was about.
Some people need to learn where thier job ends.
Still complete bull[shizzle], and my threads arent re-opened yet. And for good measure, Ive ignored all of said person's PM's that have been sent since this thread has been started. When my threads get unlocked Ill gladly open up the PM and read them. <-- See this? This sir is what you need to educate your mods on. this is a proper Ultimatum.
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I'm not here to judge... merely to say - the FS section has much much stiffer rules now because of all the scams that found their way to this site. Can't follow them? Don't sell. Don't like them? Don't sell. These stiffer requirements and rules are not going to change... feel free to leave if you can't handle that
Then [fizzle]ing enforece them the same all the way across the board, not let the mods run rampant on how they deal with thier own transactions, and not the same with everyone else's.
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Fred lite... defiler is a big boy. I'm pretty sure he doesn't need you picking up his battles. He is perfectly capable of PMing myself, Justin, Scooby, or the moderator in question, directly with his concerns...
Thats actually what iw as going to do untill i saw this thread already here. Saved me time. I actually didnt even know my threads were locked untill I got this PM from Fred (And that was after I answered Mr. Impatient's PM last night)
I just sent a PM to Lambera, and I don't want to get involved in this because frankly it's not my battle. Goatcrapp, I've expressed concern to you before. I suggested to Lambera that there be a deadline for shipping items unless the seller requests additional time, and the buyer can either accept or decline and shop somewhere else. can we agree to have the threads reopened if defiler can provide a ship-by date?
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sure you did. he said your threads would be re-opened when you responded.
NOT receiving an ultimatum would mean you were banned..
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Just BAM; threads locked. this was just a blatant, sad display of power and impatience by a moderator and a total lack of the due process.
I suggest you read the rules thoroughly. but hey, now you know. a mod sends a question - you send answer, threads don't get locked, everyone stays happy. your personal opinions about the action STILL don't explain why you ignored the private messages sent to you.
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You just dont jump straight to locking people's threads because yopu're pissed at nopt getting an aswer. Thats stupid, childish, and should be above a moderator.
actually that's ***exactly*** what happens when a regular user complains that a seller is not responding... and they ignore a mods email. when the buyer is a moderator, the same rules apply.
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First it's this today, what about tomorrow? Someone doesnt answer in 20minutes and is going to get banned for it?
slippery slope. 20 minutes is a reasonable time to read, and respond. howefver - waiting 24 hours after you read the PM... but actively participating in OTHER threads during that time frame.. is not reasonable.
Like i said, if you hadn't yet logged in, etc... we would wait a reasonable time AFTER you logged in and were active before assuming you ignored us.
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I dont give a [fizzle] if he's a mod or not. In this instance, he's just another person I have done business with and sold to. Him being a mod doesnt put him on top of my priority list to deal with. Same would go for you if I was dealing with you.
that's nice. As i've made clear - this would happen regardless of who the complainer was. If johnny noob emailed me and said you were unresponsive to a sale... i would issue the same inquiry and the same ultimatums, after being ignored for a day.
Answer this...
did you or did you not read his PM, and neglect to answer it in a timely fashion?
you can blubber on about unfairness all you want, but i would like a simple answer to that simple question.
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If this would have been a moderator asking about something that has to with what a moderator's job is, I would have responded. Him being just another buyer is what the PM was about.
Some people need to learn where thier job ends.
ok lets pretend he's just a buyer. He's now complained to me that you've been unresponsive. I send you a PM.... see that you've read it.. and a day goes by without an answer. I check your profile and see that you've posted in other threads during this time.. you certainly aren't too busy to write back, if you have the time to reply to threads...
no what. are you going to tell me where my job ends in this case? You happened to be selling to the moderator who's job it is to investigate these issues. The process didn't change... it just eliminated a step.
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Still complete bull[shizzle], and my threads arent re-opened yet. And for good measure, Ive ignored all of said person's PM's that have been sent since this thread has been started. When my threads get unlocked Ill gladly open up the PM and read them. <-- See this? This sir is what you need to educate your mods on. this is a proper Ultimatum.
Defiler... its fine that you're having this little civil protest... I understand.. however please hold your tantrum with someone else.
Now you're dealing with me on the issue.
Please respond to the PM's, feel free to CC me on them or forward anything you have a concern about to me... and we'll see about getting your threads unlocked.
Continuing with an insolent stance just based on principal will simply aggrivate my already short amount of patience... and you'll lose any modicum of assistance i'd be willing to give.
I'll let you stew on this for a bit... and then feel free to PM me with any details that are pertinent to the buyer's concerns.
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Then [fizzle]ing enforece them the same all the way across the board, not let the mods run rampant on how they deal with thier own transactions, and not the same with everyone else's.
I deal with disputes quickly and sharply. You cited zach's two weeks or whatever - which is fine... but its his perogative. Again, the process hasn't changed - just a step was removed since the buyer and enforcer are the same person.
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Thats actually what iw as going to do untill i saw this thread already here. Saved me time. I actually didnt even know my threads were locked untill I got this PM from Fred (And that was after I answered Mr. Impatient's PM last night)
I'll be happy to re-open your thread if you've addressed the concerns of the buyer. Fwd me the info.
94 mx6 - you name it - I did it, came up with it, tried it and rejected it or just plain still have it. 93 mx3 - klze, i/h/e, rims and paint.. daily driver. 98 jeep GC - 5.9L with bolt ons, lifted, locked. 32x10.5 Goodyear MTR winter/ 30x9.5 bfg ta/ko summer
whitenoyz - I like your idea... what isn't being said here however is the discussion in the non public part of the forums that's taken place.
The problem isn't the ship by date in this case. a simple answer of "i haven't had the time yet" or "i'll be sending it out today" or even a "i'll have an answer for you later after work" would have sufficed. the problem was simply ignoring the inquiry.
94 mx6 - you name it - I did it, came up with it, tried it and rejected it or just plain still have it. 93 mx3 - klze, i/h/e, rims and paint.. daily driver. 98 jeep GC - 5.9L with bolt ons, lifted, locked. 32x10.5 Goodyear MTR winter/ 30x9.5 bfg ta/ko summer
sure you did. he said your threads would be re-opened when you responded.
No, I was never informed of this in any PM. He went ahead and closed the threads without telling me.
Ultimatum - final demand: a demand accompanied by a threat to inflict some penalty if the demand is not met.
Closing is more than a threat, it's an action. Seems Lambera isnt the only one who needs a lesson in grammar
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The problem isn't the ship by date in this case. a simple answer of "i haven't had the time yet" or "i'll be sending it out today" or even a "i'll have an answer for you later after work" would have sufficed. the problem was simply ignoring the inquiry.
Uh, no. I shipped it out last week and I told him when I did so. Its that he's impatient that the package has not yet arrived. He asked for a tracking # or proof of shipment, and I was in the process of looking for it when this happened.
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a mod sends a question - you send answer, threads don't get locked, everyone stays happy
What am I not being clear about? This is a seller and buyer problem. Him being a mod doesnt change that (Well, it shouldnt, but obviously it does)
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Like i said, if you hadn't yet logged in, etc... we would wait a reasonable time AFTER you logged in and were active before assuming you ignored us.
So what is reasonable? Maybe you should put that into your "rules" so we can "read" them and be informed. 24hours is reasonable in my book.
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did you or did you not read his PM, and neglect to answer it in a timely fashion?
Have you a set definition of timely? In my book, the time frame was still yet to be up.
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ok lets pretend he's just a buyer. He's now complained to me that you've been unresponsive. I send you a PM.... see that you've read it.. and a day goes by without an answer. I check your profile and see that you've posted in other threads during this time.. you certainly aren't too busy to write back, if you have the time to reply to threads...
Thats fine; you're not the person I am selling to. If he is going to mod the FS area, then personally I think himand the other mod's in those forums needs to have thier own transactions acted upon by a 3rd party, like yourself. If a mod were to get involved, I'll respond to the mod.
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Now you're dealing with me on the issue.
Please respond to the PM's, feel free to CC me on them or forward anything you have a concern about to me... and we'll see about getting your threads unlocked.
Whats to deal with? The transaction is over as I stated earlier. I refunded his money, even though the spacers will arrive this week sometime. So why arent the threads open?
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I'll be happy to re-open your thread if you've addressed the concerns of the buyer. Fwd me the info.
He let this come to this; he can fwd you the info from his Payapl account.
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I deal with disputes quickly and sharply. You cited zach's two weeks or whatever - which is fine... but its his perogative. Again, the process hasn't changed - just a step was removed since the buyer and enforcer are the same person
Judge, jury, and executioner are all seperate by law for a reason; it breeds contempt and abuse of power, as this situation has shown.
No, I was never informed of this in any PM. He went ahead and closed the threads without telling me.
because PMing you worked so well initially? lol.
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Ultimatum - final demand: a demand accompanied by a threat to inflict some penalty if the demand is not met.
the requirement was to answer the PM. you and personal responsibility don't get along very well do you.
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Closing is more than a threat, it's an action. Seems Lambera isnt the only one who needs a lesson in grammar
It was an action to get your attention since you showed no intention on answering a PM. It also was not a final act, it was an option contingent on your choices thereafter.
seems like your need to argue semantics isn't going to go very well. Like i said - I have pretty limited patience... and since you are now dealing with me on this matter and not lambera (he is, at your request, holding a buyer role only. any more complaints will go through me, and that way it will maintain a strictly buyer seller relationship, to appease your whiny ass)
Anyways, since you are now dealing with me, i suggest you take some time and rethink your position..
in fact, here's the ultimatum.
take on a more pleasant demeanor, more respectful tone, and reassess your level of personal responsiblity in this instance...
or i will take the action of banning you
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Uh, no. I shipped it out last week and I told him when I did so. Its that he's impatient that the package has not yet arrived. He asked for a tracking # or proof of shipment, and I was in the process of looking for it when this happened.
easy answer.. pm a response with "I'm in the process of looking for it" or similar... contrary to your scarecrow argument.. this wasn't done only 20 minutes after you read the PM. perhaps you should concentrate on being a bit more conscientious about your buyers.
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What am I not being clear about? This is a seller and buyer problem. Him being a mod doesnt change that (Well, it shouldnt, but obviously it does)
Fair enough. now its a buyer, seller, goatcrapp relationship. You obviously don't understand the nuances of someone being a mod (in charge of transaction monitoring) and a buyer at the same time...
frankly - you were probably in better shape just keeping it between you and lambera. I'm a big asshole
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So what is reasonable? Maybe you should put that into your "rules" so we can "read" them and be informed. 24hours is reasonable in my book.
your book sucks.
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Have you a set definition of timely? In my book, the time frame was still yet to be up.
your book still sucks. Stop arguing the past. Now that i've told you - you know. Don't push my buttons on this.
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Thats fine; you're not the person I am selling to. If he is going to mod the FS area, then personally I think himand the other mod's in those forums needs to have thier own transactions acted upon by a 3rd party, like yourself. If a mod were to get involved, I'll respond to the mod.
A mod did get involved. and now i'm involved, and i'm not happy at being involved. I'll be happy to discuss your notions of fairness and site operation *after* this issue is settled, but right now lets concentrate on the dealings at hand.
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Whats to deal with? The transaction is over as I stated earlier. I refunded his money, even though the spacers will arrive this week sometime. So why arent the threads open?
opened as per your post above.
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He let this come to this; he can fwd you the info from his Payapl account.
What he does or doesn't provide to me has nothing to do with the queries i may place with you... nor should that affect your response to mine.
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Judge, jury, and executioner are all seperate by law for a reason; it breeds contempt and abuse of power, as this situation has shown.
well luckily for us evil moderation staffers that this is a privately owned site, and you, the lowly user has zero say in the way its run.. zero inherent rights, and zero allowance for a judgement by your peers. In fact we like to go so far out of our way to make your life a living hell, we've assigned a personal hitman to each of you to hold a gun to your heads and force you, each, to log in to this site, day in day out.
Welcome to the land of the power trippy mods who hate their userbase with such a level of disdain that it can be given its own color... puce.
FINAL THOUGHTS.... if only you replied to your PM's as quickly as you're replying to this thread
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94 mx6 - you name it - I did it, came up with it, tried it and rejected it or just plain still have it. 93 mx3 - klze, i/h/e, rims and paint.. daily driver. 98 jeep GC - 5.9L with bolt ons, lifted, locked. 32x10.5 Goodyear MTR winter/ 30x9.5 bfg ta/ko summer
the requirement was to answer the PM. you and personal responsibility don't get along very well do you.
You and using your cranium dont get along too well today it seems. You have to issue an ultimatum before one can exist. I Cant meet the requirements if they are not given. English and definitions 101, sonny. An ultimatum would have been "If you dont respond I will close your threads".
I can nitpick grammar all day. In fact I very much enjoy doing so.
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seems like your need to argue semantics isn't going to go very well. Like i said - I have pretty limited patience... and since you are now dealing with me on this matter and not lambera (he is, at your request, holding a buyer role only. any more complaints will go through me, and that way it will maintain a strictly buyer seller relationship, to appease your whiny ass)
it still seems like you have a very limited concept of time and the timeframe as to how all of this went down.
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easy answer.. pm a response with "I'm in the process of looking for it" or similar... contrary to your scarecrow argument.. this wasn't done only 20 minutes after you read the PM. perhaps you should concentrate on being a bit more conscientious about your buyers.
My personal responsibility is where it needs to be. Giving a vague "Ill telly ou later" in this instance would have yeilded just a more irritating and unpatient result later in the day when I wouldnt have been able to produce proof yet. Just not responding untill I have concrete info later in the day normally suffices for people who understand patience is a virtue.
And normally my buyers arent asking me where the hell things are before the package would physically be able to get there
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You obviously don't understand the nuances of someone being a mod (in charge of transaction monitoring) and a buyer at the same time...
I understand they can be both perfectly. But not at the same time. Im not going to speed up a transaction or put it ahead of someone else's just because someone is a moderator.
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FINAL THOUGHTS.... if only you replied to your PM's as quickly as you're replying to this thread
I was at work all day, bored out of my mind on breaks. What else am I supposed to do?
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your book sucks.
As does yours.
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I'll be happy to discuss your notions of fairness and site operation *after* this issue is settled, but right now lets concentrate on the dealings at hand.
The dealings at hand are over.
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Welcome to the land of the power trippy mods who hate their userbase with such a level of disdain that it can be given its own color... puce.
This isn';t Probetalk. I can tell by the color scheme
As foir the proof, I have to wait for the batteries to charge in the Nikkon. I have proof of shipment, but it appears they didnt give me the tracking # as I requested (And never charged me for it. Eh...). Was too pre-occupied that day with shipping a pair of leather seats to the Netherlands...
you were given a few opportunities to rethink your position, and instead you thought yourself into a bucket of ban.
Good job. 7 days for not understanding just how little patience i have for this petty bull[shizzle].
next time its permanent. have a horrible day. I can ban you all day, sonny. In fact i rather enjoy doing so
Feel free to email me with an "i'm sorry for being a douche" and maybe i'll bring you back.
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94 mx6 - you name it - I did it, came up with it, tried it and rejected it or just plain still have it. 93 mx3 - klze, i/h/e, rims and paint.. daily driver. 98 jeep GC - 5.9L with bolt ons, lifted, locked. 32x10.5 Goodyear MTR winter/ 30x9.5 bfg ta/ko summer
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).HE NEVER CLOSE MY THREAD BECAUSE OF THAT.
I dont think Ive ever heard anyone compared to that douchebag before 
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