Mazda MX6 Vs Escort RS

[mx6-uk]

Dave will only add one thing to this.

gareth231 wrote
as the nos is running the engine is being pushed past its orginal design limits.

How many manufacturers run their cars on the limit. none!!!

The KLZE has different cams pistons intake etc to get to 200bhp WOW. The so called low power KL03 engine is good for 300 as long as its smooth. IE progressive. Turbo, supercharger or NOS.

Put a single shot of nos in at high revs and bang yes loads of extra stress. however put it in progressivly (sorry spelling) NO PROBLEM same as a super charger and turbo. Marks system is a progressive system and thus starts with a little and builds up therfore as long as you have good lubrication (engine and gearbox) and change gear before you hit the limiter then no real problem. Yes any more power will result in wear but lets be realistic.

Mark you get a lot of respect from me mate. Well done.


Dave

[gareth231]

Mark you want to get fully mappable ignition system, no lie this is the b@ll@ks its not that expensive either around the 300 mark, basically you decided what the ignition system is doing, ie you can retard it once the nitrous is running etc etc, been told its well worth the money, you plug a laptop into a go from there.

Facet do some top fuel pumps which can be adjustable to alter the pressure to suit your car. You may have the problem of getting more fuel in there, depending on injectors and the ecu...


So whats the difference with the j spec to get an extra 30 bhp? over the uk car?

[Einstein]

So whats the difference with the j spec to get an extra 30 bhp? over the uk car?

Higher compression ratio, higher lift cams, different inlet manifold, ecu programmed to suit.

There may be other minor details, but not much info on J-Spec in the UK

John

[Mark 626GT]

TBH, I can take the ECU right out of the equation, that's the beauty of a wet system and the key to normal running there after. You don't have to worry about what they can flow as long as your pump and regulator is up to it as take a feed direct from the fuel rail.
I do like programmable ignitions though and am looking into the possibilities there and a good matching fuel pump although the reg should sort things out for my needs as a good constant pressure is better for my needs than a mapable one that adjusts to different circumstances like boost pressure rises as that won't happen and would make a good mixture difficult to attain.

Dave, thanks, means a lot

John, two small things, 1 it's not quite 25bhp (although that’s what everyone should start by) but more like 70bhp progressive or no progressive, which is like (but not the same as) 35bhp in a single hit system. 2, more power IS a bigger strain BUT NOT necessarily more wear. To explain it better look here as its explained better there than I could http://www.noswizard.com/bboard/view...orum=1&start=0

happy reading guys

[gareth231]

so how does the j spec acheve a higher c/r head skimmed, shallower pockets in the head, different pistons, just wondering

[Einstein]

more power IS a bigger strain BUT NOT necessarily more wear

Mark, agreed about things wearing like the bores, cams etc, but the big and little ends are taking definately more strain, and will wear more, or at least fail earlier than normal.. which in my book is wear and tear. it may be negligiable, but it's still a factor. and at least they can be replaced anyway.

John

[StuartMX6]

Lads i must just say i have been sitting here very amused

Tony(my mate) started this thread as a bit of fun and look at it now ,There he is sunning himself in zante and theres you lot being wound up by each other , when he comes back he is going to find this thread highly amusing!! i bet any money he will start on the bit about nos and start the wind up again

Ken i no you found it amusing on sunday talking about this thread, tony is going to be happy to meet up with u 6s that are coming to kens meet in oct!

iam going to txt him to warn him hes going to be in for a bumpy ride

Stu

[Mark 626GT]

Maybe but from what people told me the RS didn't fair very well

[G-Force]

iam going to txt him to warn him hes going to be in for a bumpy ride

Thatll be the Ford Suspension for you

Quicker or not - doesnt really matter i know which i prefer to drive and be seen in

G

Congrats to Mark on his install - I didnt even know anyone was planning a job like that - talk about Stealth

[mop]

from what people told me the RS didn't fair very well

or it could be because of the "spoon in a bowl of jelly" effect gearbox.. who knows

[StuartMX6]

LOL lads

I keep telling him its a peice of tin on 4 wheels but he dont listen

Stu

[Tony2quick4u]

Originally posted by Maputosimon
drums @ rear for a modern 'sports' car?? hmm.

Nothing more needs saying!

Erm...guys...pls remind me what the guys on the Ford Probe Owner's Club call "ford"?@-

Tony.....you've opened a deeeeeeeeep can of worms! he he he

oh dear oh dear, i live you all you boys to play for a while and i come back to find 4 pages worth of discussion on this matter.

Sold my Seat GTI 3 2 weeks ago and picked up my RS on Tuesday!

well it is quicker than my Seat GTI and the Seat could keep up with Stueys MX6 so i think a standard RS would win easily!

By the way lads if you want to start quoting figures then do it properly, what they say on paper means nothing!

BHP means nothing if the car is heavy, it is the BHP/Tonne which really counts!

RS Turbo only wieghs 980KG (Series 2)

that is 133BHP Divided by 980KGX1000= 135BHP/Tonne

Mazda MX6 (quite a heavy car i believe) say around 1300KG

Works out as 126BHP/Tonne

Not much of a difference but enough to beat one of the lights!

also remember a chip, intercooler, exhaust and induction kit gives much bigger gains on a turbo aspirated car than a N/A car!

turbos are much cheaper and easier to tune than N/A, come on now we all know forced induction is much better! (apart rffmo lag of cours LOL!!)

So if you did the same mods to a Mazda MX6 as you would to a RS Turbo then the RS would win hands down, some figures for you guys (these are quoted of course in a perfect world!)

Mazda RS Turbo
Chip 15BHP 30bhp+
Intercooler N/A 15bhp
Exhaust 5BHP+ 10BHP+
Induction Kit 3BHP+ 7BHP+
Uprated Turbo N/A 40BHP+

Fair to say that the same upgrades on each car, pretty much proves that the RS wins out on standard form and also when modified!

Muhahahahaha

(Please this is not too be taken in offence, light hearted banter is all i mean by this, if anyone takes this seriously and goes off on one they need to get out more!!!)

Cheers
@-

[cruisemad]

Im not taking this seriously but I will race you any day. Had a few races against standard and Moddified RSTs round Chester and much to there disapointment they loose. Some quite miserably.

Its not all about power and weight. The 6 has power, handling and torque not to mention some quite hair raising top speeds.

Kyle

[Tony2quick4u]

Originally posted by cruisemad
Im not taking this seriously but I will race you any day. Had a few races against standard and Moddified RSTs round Chester and much to there disapointment they loose. Some quite miserably.

Its not all about power and weight. The 6 has power, handling and torque not to mention some quite hair raising top speeds.

Kyle

sorry but the handling on an MX6 (long saloon heavy like shape) could not match the handling of a light hatchback with both vehicles having been lowered!!

the handling of an RS would out do an MX6 due to the pure fact of the weight and length of the MX6!!

Well if i do meet you, i look forward to my 200BHP+ RS against your MX6

unless of course you have had your MX6 Supercharged which then of course is a different matter!

[Tony2quick4u]

Originally posted by cruisemad
Im not taking this seriously but I will race you any day. Had a few races against standard and Moddified RSTs round Chester and much to there disapointment they loose. Some quite miserably.

Its not all about power and weight. The 6 has power, handling and torque not to mention some quite hair raising top speeds.

Kyle

hang on a minute, did i read right in ur sig that you have a trubo conversion on ur car??

how on earth did you fit the tubo under that Bonnet, there is hardly enough space for a Vipercross in duction kit let alone a Turbo!!!