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Old 9-9-09, 9:22   #1 (permalink)
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Knackered Clutch

Hi Guys and Gals

Looks like my clutch is knackered after 139K I'm not surprised but the timing is never good when something like this goes. Has anyone here changed one out who might be able to give me a few pointers. Also what is the difference between the stages 0,1,2,3? I'm not too Mech experienced so would it be better to take it to the garage? Baring in mind like everyone else at the mo I'm skint. many thanks in advance.

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Ben (Parallex) knows all about clutches, he's your best bet.

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Oh Mark - you evil, evil man!

Unfortunately I do know a lot about clutches, simply through sheer misfortune and recovering from bodges. Here's my two penneth worth -

- If you're skint, stick with a standard clutch.

- The differences between the stages are varied between manufacturer, but the fundamental thing that changes is the material and shape of the clutch plate. The higher stage jobbies are meant for drag or racing (or at the very least fast road). They can take higher temperatures, more impact, and provide more grip. However, this also means that they are not user friendly. Stage 3 level, you're virtually talking IN or OUT clutch - slippage just doesn't happen. That's the point of the stages, how much clutch slip do you need or want?

On a side note, the clutch in the MX-6 was designed for the 2.0l engine, and therefore slips more than it should in the 2.5l engine. That's often why they burn out so quickly, especially at high revs. (Should've smelt mine at Silverstone last weekend.)

- There are two ways to change a clutch:
1) The 'Drop-Down' method
2) The 'Gearbox Off' method

No.1 is doable on your driveway, No.2 isn't really practical on your driveway. It's a bit complicated to explain through forum text, but let's put it this way - if you're not mechanically competent, I wouldn't bother trying it.

Some garages charge silly money for this sort of thing. It'd be best to get quotes and run them by us first. I got my clutch changed for £70 once. That was very lucky, and they did feel sorry for me at the time. (No s n i g g e r i n g please Mark.)

Good luck mate.

Ben.

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Hi Ben.

Thanks for the info.

Where would I start for the regular clutch plate? The Probe shop? Can't remember the guys name there does anyone have his number?

Cheers

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Ford Probe Store/Mazda/RocSpares - Ford Probe Spares - Mazda Parts - Specialists for Ford Probe, Mazda MX-3, MX-5, MX-6, Mazda 6, 626, Xedos, Premacy & 323F, Dodo Juice Stockist, Spares & Modifications - Mark Colgan - The legend.

On a side note - what is with these damn words filters coming into play - I can't even say the word 'snig ger' without it trying to tell me I'm a racist. Something tells me a nice little libel lawsuit will be forthcoming. Unless it gets changed and pronto.

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s[I am a racist] 22222

That I am not !!!

I will take this up with the powers that be.

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I've been asked to explain here.

The word being filtered is a racial slur that is highly offensive here, in the USA and other parts of the world. The filter will not be changed - the highly offensive nature of it means that no exception will be made in this case. (We have made other such exceptions, where the filtered word was innocuous enough and the interference with other words was significant. "ass" and "glass", "pass" etc for instance.)

It is unfortunate that a common word on your side of the pond contains the filtered word, and as such gets caught in the filter. The verbiage of the filter is meant to convey the nature of the word. Over here, "s[I am a racist]" (snigger) is not a word, thus leaving the only use of the actual filtered word to that of a racial slur, intended only to incite. To be perfectly clear - from our end - there is no other acceptable use of the word.. either contained within another word, or by itself.

I can however offer the following: that no penalty will be incurred for intentionally bypassing the language filter as it pertains to the word s[I am a racist] (snigger), either now or at any time in the future. Enforcing the filter-bypass rule in this case would simply be unreasonable.

Ben - as for libel - unfortunately that simply isn't the case here - the terms and conditions you agreed to when signing up included the language filters.. and the language filters are readily accessible. There is also plenty of caselaw specifically in place for multi-lingual libel... and since the offensive word in question seems to be specific to our version of the english language, and has caselaw backing its use solely as a racial slur, combined with the fact that one major requirement of ANY libel case is a measurable loss in actual damages... shows me you're not quite up to snuff when it comes to the process of bringin a libel case to the courts.

Have you suffered actual damages to reputation, livelihood, or your body/person as a result?

You're welcome to try and sue the site, of course... but please be informed that your removal from the site would be both immediate, and complete, in order to comply with our own best practices regulations when involved in a lawsuit. This would be in effect for the duration of any litigation, or intended litigation. You would be able to petition for membership once any such action or intent of action has cleared.

The proceedings of such a suit would also be completely public, as is our right and practice, so this isn't merely an attempt to hush you.

Please be aware that a threat of such a lawsuit, in order to "get one's own way" is defined as extortion, and as such - your removal would be equally complete and immediate. Such extortion is also a suable offense... so if you decide to proceed - please be prepared for a fight.

We take any and all such comments extremely seriously, and because of that I'll simply assume that you spoke out of turn, either from frustration or anger.. and weren't making a serious statement of intent.

The short answer is: All of you have been around long enough (moderators included) to realize the imperfections of a language filter system... have witnessed the use of said language filter, and the least bit of research would have revealed that the filter is not a directed one for any specific members, but is a global setting. I am disappointed that a mountain was made of a molehill in this case, when a simple request could have been made to either explain or change the context of the filter.

Since it is bothersome to you, we will consider changing the filter's language to convey the message without being as insulting. I apologize for any hurt feelings this may have caused.

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Hi Ben,

I have sent you a PM.

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I live in S[mangina]horpe. lol
Ben was joking, there's no mountain.

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Yes I do indeed think my 'warped' sense of humour may have got the better of you here Goaty. It was indeed the famous British 'irony' coming out. Hence why the UK bods and our friends in Canada seem to get on so well, and mix so little with our U.S. 'literalist' friends. It's all in the humour. Some American bods do get it right sometimes - Bill Maher is a 'god' amongst men.

Don't worry - I won't be sueing mx6.com. Not that it wouldn't be tremendous fun of course....

On a practical note - I think our Admins' suggestion of modifying the word filter to suit the 'Queen's English' is a helpful and valid one. Especially as this site isn't dominated by American cultural nuances such as word usage and spelling. Or is it?

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Hi everyone,

Being an avid traveller to the USA, I have found that our English sense of humour nine times out of ten falls flat when I use it with Claire and her family.

She just looks at me in a blank way which literally " Cracks me up " !!!

I have to explain the joke and then she says " Is that funny or I have never heard of that before ".

Claire hun " It's a joke " ....Duh !!!!!

My friend Paula Jean finds the same with Claire at times and she is funnier than me.

PJ was a very high up person in the Ministry of Defence and often went to the States.

She found it very difficult at times to make herself understood with their Service Personnel when it came to repartee.

And Claire is an Anglophile in many ways as she likes the Goodies, Peter Cook and Dudley Moore, Benny Hill etc etc.

" We are two nations divided by a common language ".

How true is that !!!

Funnily enough I like American comedy programmes and understand them fully.

Have a nice day

Paula

PS. BUT I adore the USA and love all my American friends as their generosity is wonderful and I am now part of Claire's family.

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LOL - I'm with you all the way there Paula, it cracks me up as well.

I am a huge fan of Bill Maher and his show 'Real Time'. You won't find better on US TV.

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I can only imagine how my English Mate survived with his US Girlfriend/wife's family at the start.

Ben thanks once again for the link.
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