How's this for forced induction? - Page 2

**SixSick6** · 10-4-05, 5:41

Maybe if there was an explanation as to which wheel was used, or which turbine was used, then there wouldn't be any question. That is the question I was posing since any time any of you Aussies have ever said anything about a change in your turbocharger, all you say is "I got it high flowed" which could mean anything.

TRIM OF THE TURBINE, TRIM OF THE WHEEL...thats what I am wondering. Not "high flowed".

**91turbo666** · 10-4-05, 6:05

we understand what you are saying, but its a general term. if someone has a high flowed turbo than you know its a little better. if you want more details than you can ASK the person. its like saying, hey i lowered my suspension. now most people would just leave it there but if someone wanted to know by how much or what was done, then they would ask. theres nothing wrong with just a general term.

**SixSick6** · 10-4-05, 8:21

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we understand what you are saying, but its a general term.

In essense, meaning you have no idea what was actually changed. Precisely my my point to begin with.

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if someone has a high flowed turbo than you know its a little better.

Little better? by how much? dyno slips? Trim specs? Didn't think so/precisely my point from day one.

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if you want more details than you can ASK the person.

Already have/ I got nothing in return besides "high flowed is teh rox0rs!!!!"

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its like saying, hey i lowered my suspension.

Which would follow with "What springs/struts did you use?"

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now most people would just leave it there

If good enough is good enough for you then yeah, but some people would like to know what they are paying for rather than "high flowed".

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but if someone wanted to know by how much or what was done, then they would ask.

It is clear to everyone that I already have. I got no answer besides "high flowed is teh rox0rs!!!!"

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theres nothing wrong with just a general term.

Especially when you've paid high dollar to get "high flowed" without knowing what you paid for right?

**91turbo666** · 10-4-05, 8:38

do ordinary conversations with you involve dyno slips, time slips, charts, diagrams, pretty pictures, slide shows and what not?..... most people dont expect a thorough presentation in conversation. if you want to know EXACTLY what they did to their turbo then just ask them. simple as that. if we have the turbo modified, yes we would like to know whats happening to it, cos we are paying for it. in CONVERSATION things are a little more relaxed.

**SixSick6** · 10-4-05, 8:47

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do ordinary conversations with you involve dyno slips, time slips, charts, diagrams, pretty pictures, slide shows and what not?

Only when you're talking about an "upgraded high flowed turbo"

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most people dont expect a thorough presentation in conversation.

But most people expect specs when theiy're told a turbo was "high flowed".

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if you want to know EXACTLY what they did to their turbo then just ask them.

I already have, I got nothing.

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simple as that.

No, simple would be giving measurements for the turbines inducer/exducer and the compressor wheels inducer/exducer. Apparnely you Aussies don't care, only that it was "high flowed".

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if we have the turbo modified, yes we would like to know whats happening to it, cos we are paying for it.

Thats the point, NONE OF YOU have ever said ANYTHING besides "high flowed".

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in CONVERSATION things are a little more relaxed.

Unless of course someone would like to know what has been changed, not just "high flowed". Alas I digress.

**91turbo666** · 10-4-05, 9:22

why cant you see that a name of a process doesnt necessarily have to be an exact description of the process? you seemed to jump at bluedraco because of his joke. the idea of increasing the performance of that turbo is a JOKE. i mean do you want him to give exact detail as to what modifications he makes to the compressor or turbine? kind of ruins the effect of a joke now doesnt it? if there is someone in particular that has told you they have hi-flowed their turbo, then ask them. but why ask us exactly what compressor wheels, turbine trimming etc etc when we are speaking in general terms?

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High Flow Turbos

Turbo sizes need to be properly calculated to get optimum performance and drivability for a given engine. Generally a hi-flow turbo will use the existing exhaust turbine from a factory turbo, with either a larger compressor wheel in the existing housing, or a whole new compressor assembly grafted on. It is generally the case that the existing turbines on factory turbochargers can support a larger compressor, so this is convenient way to improve the flow capability of your turbocharger while still keeping the original manifolding, oil feeds and etc. This process is relatively cheaper than going for a new turbo and associated parts required for that turbo.

**CraZyOne** · 10-4-05, 9:30

91turbo666 don't bother getting into a pissing contest with SixSick6. He has an endless bladder.

**cenatix** · 10-4-05, 9:33

I would like to know what is done to a "high-flowed" turbo also. I understand what Sick is trying to understand.

Think of it this way...If you were new to the MX-6's and "Bob" offered you a T-Bird upgrade for $700 and all Bob could tell you was "The T-Bird is better than stock!", would you buy it? I wouldn't. I would want to know exactly what I was getting. I know you Aussies aren't that dense, so please explain to us Americans why you shelled out $$$ to get your turbo "high-flowed". What is done to a "high-flowed" turbo?

(My guess is either the wheel has been clipped or the housing has been bored/ported to increase "flow". But we'll never know until someone explains it to us.)

**91turbo666** · 10-4-05, 9:45

well in the explaination above there are modifications that can be made to the turbine and compressor. when someone says their turbo has been high flowed, you can expect maybe one or several modifications made. thats how far the term covers. if the term is too broad for someone, thats kinds of tough isnt it.

**SixSick6** · 10-4-05, 14:03

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well in the explaination above there are modifications that can be made to the turbine and compressor.

No, really? WHAT, WHAT MODIFICATIONS? I've been asking for trim spec since last year. None of you guys can say anything. I suspect it is because you flat out don't know.

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when someone says their turbo has been high flowed, you can expect maybe one or several modifications made.

And your money stolen. But at least it was "high flowed" in the process.

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thats how far the term covers. if the term is too broad for someone, thats kinds of tough isnt it.

Especially when the person describing it has no idea what has been done.

I'll give you an idea: http://www.turbomaster.info/eng/turb...cepts_trim.php this is how you calculate trim.

The trim for the compressor wheel would be the diameter of the outter fins (36mm) and the total diameter of (52.50mm)

The trim would be measured by the diameter of the outside fin squared divided by the exducers total diameter squared x 100

So going by that, the VJ11 compressor wheel would be a .47 because 36/52.5^2=47

The turbine would be a .67 because 42.4/51.8^2=67

Now what has been changed that you guys are calling it "high flowed"? Which turbine is/was used and which compressor wheel is/was used.

It's simple, you guys just don't know the answer.

**cuJe5ter** · 10-4-05, 15:16

this may be better
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**knightwing1508** · 10-4-05, 16:08

I have to agree with Sick. When someone modifies something they should know exactly what has been done. If you had something "high-flowed" shouldn't you have some inkling as to what was done? I can say I had my car "aerodynamicized", I mean it's a general term. But it doesn't describe what steps were taken to make it "aerodynamicized". I'm sure the reason why sick and many others of us are interested is for comparison to a stock, bored, trimmed/clipped, t-bird hybrid, and all the other variety of turbos out there. Through explaining the process or differences we can come to a better understanding of what difference a "high-flowed" turbo has over stock, if any. I'm asking anyone with a "high-flowed" turbo to step forward and state exactly what has been done to their turbine so we can all come to a mutual understanding and maybe then "high-flowed" can be considered a general term.

**KiNg MaRtY** · 10-4-05, 16:51

that turbo probably has a 10min. lag!

**91turbo666** · 10-4-05, 21:20

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91turbo666 don't bother getting into a pissing contest with SixSick6. He has an endless bladder.

yeop

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No, really? WHAT, WHAT MODIFICATIONS? I've been asking for trim spec since last year.

whos turbo in particular?

you see, if you want answers you ask them, but i suspect you dont get answers cos you go in

everything. obviously if we havent had our turbos high flowed we cant give you mod specs COS IT HASNT BEEN DONE. so that covers people using the term generally. when theres people who have hf turbos, you immediately claim they have no idea whats been done cos they dont want to talk to you. less

goes a long way. try it

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91turbo666 don't bother getting into a pissing contest with SixSick6. He has an endless bladder.

yeop

i think thats about the end of it until someone calls "hi flow" again.

**SixSick6** · 10-4-05, 22:09

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whos turbo in particular?

Any of them. I also posted this in the Australia section and nobody could say anything there either, even people that had "high flowed" turbos.

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you see, if you want answers you ask them

I already have, and got nothing.

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but i suspect you dont get answers cos you go in

everything.

I suspect i don't get answers because none of you actually know. You just know it's "high flowed"

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obviously if we havent had our turbos high flowed we cant give you mod specs COS IT HASNT BEEN DONE.

Obviously you aren't the one to ask.

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so that covers people using the term generally.

We've already covered that. "high flowed" is a temr Australian memebrs use when they have no idea what else to say, because all they know is that it has been "high flowed" supposedly.

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when theres people who have hf turbos, you immediately claim they have no idea whats been done cos they dont want to talk to you. less

goes a long way. try it

Already did a long time ago. A simple question got no answers as far as specs, nothing besides "I got mine high flowed".

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i think thats about the end of it until someone calls "hi flow" again.

It's useless to even bother. I realized that a long time ago.

10-4-05, 9:33	#23 (permalink)
cenatix Join Date: Jul 2003 Location: Green Bay, WI Age: 25 iTrader: (1)	I would like to know what is done to a "high-flowed" turbo also. I understand what Sick is trying to understand. Think of it this way...If you were new to the MX-6's and "Bob" offered you a T-Bird upgrade for $700 and all Bob could tell you was "The T-Bird is better than stock!", would you buy it? I wouldn't. I would want to know exactly what I was getting. I know you Aussies aren't that dense, so please explain to us Americans why you shelled out $$$ to get your turbo "high-flowed". What is done to a "high-flowed" turbo? (My guess is either the wheel has been clipped or the housing has been bored/ported to increase "flow". But we'll never know until someone explains it to us.)
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knightwing1508 Join Date: Apr 2005 Location: , CT, USA Age: 26 iTrader: (0)	I have to agree with Sick. When someone modifies something they should know exactly what has been done. If you had something "high-flowed" shouldn't you have some inkling as to what was done? I can say I had my car "aerodynamicized", I mean it's a general term. But it doesn't describe what steps were taken to make it "aerodynamicized". I'm sure the reason why sick and many others of us are interested is for comparison to a stock, bored, trimmed/clipped, t-bird hybrid, and all the other variety of turbos out there. Through explaining the process or differences we can come to a better understanding of what difference a "high-flowed" turbo has over stock, if any. I'm asking anyone with a "high-flowed" turbo to step forward and state exactly what has been done to their turbine so we can all come to a mutual understanding and maybe then "high-flowed" can be considered a general term.
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10-4-05, 5:41	#16 (permalink)
SixSick6 Join Date: Sep 2001 Location: San Diego, CA, USA Age: 32 iTrader: (2)	Maybe if there was an explanation as to which wheel was used, or which turbine was used, then there wouldn't be any question. That is the question I was posing since any time any of you Aussies have ever said anything about a change in your turbocharger, all you say is "I got it high flowed" which could mean anything. TRIM OF THE TURBINE, TRIM OF THE WHEEL...thats what I am wondering. Not "high flowed".

10-4-05, 6:05	#17 (permalink)
91turbo666 Join Date: Aug 2005 Location: Canberra, Australia iTrader: (0)	we understand what you are saying, but its a general term. if someone has a high flowed turbo than you know its a little better. if you want more details than you can ASK the person. its like saying, hey i lowered my suspension. now most people would just leave it there but if someone wanted to know by how much or what was done, then they would ask. theres nothing wrong with just a general term.

10-4-05, 8:38	#19 (permalink)
91turbo666 Join Date: Aug 2005 Location: Canberra, Australia iTrader: (0)	do ordinary conversations with you involve dyno slips, time slips, charts, diagrams, pretty pictures, slide shows and what not?..... most people dont expect a thorough presentation in conversation. if you want to know EXACTLY what they did to their turbo then just ask them. simple as that. if we have the turbo modified, yes we would like to know whats happening to it, cos we are paying for it. in CONVERSATION things are a little more relaxed.

10-4-05, 9:30	#22 (permalink)
CraZyOne Join Date: Oct 2002 Location: Melbourne, Australia Age: 29 iTrader: (1)	91turbo666 don't bother getting into a pissing contest with SixSick6. He has an endless bladder.

10-4-05, 9:45	#24 (permalink)
91turbo666 Join Date: Aug 2005 Location: Canberra, Australia iTrader: (0)	well in the explaination above there are modifications that can be made to the turbine and compressor. when someone says their turbo has been high flowed, you can expect maybe one or several modifications made. thats how far the term covers. if the term is too broad for someone, thats kinds of tough isnt it.