Subaru WRX STi vs. Chevrolet Corvette C5 - Page 2

**Metalhead** · 7-24-02, 22:28

I'm a big Corvette fan first off. Second, one thing in this thread made me crack up. SilverLS, you said the NSX is a better looking car than the vette. I don't know about you, but when I see an NSX I think of a C4 or C5 Corvette. And the Corvette still looks meaner.

**Scooby** · 7-24-02, 23:10

NSX is a sweet car but WAY over priced..
they are charging like $92k for one now, what is the v-8 gonna cost?
Like many people here are pointing out large displacement does not necessarily equal poor gas mileage or a heavy car. In alot of cases it does. I too an am import kinda guy but I have to give props where they are due. You talk about a $90 grand NSX being better than a $50 grand Z06 vette...hmmm I dont think so...if they cost the same or close to the same, sure Id go for the NSX...
but they dont..
Also the only thing more pathetic than a huge displacement engine with lower hp per liter is a dorky vtec with less than half as much torque as horsepower.

**1993-LS-5spd** · 7-25-02, 19:21

I assumed that the V8 C5 would be significantly heavier, but in fact it is only 137 lbs. heavier. And also I earlier said that the two cars have similar straight line track times. But that is only true for a "hard launch." For a soft launch, the STi performs notably worse, whereas the C5 performance only suffers a little without the hard launch.
Eventhough, I've had to defend the C5 here a bit, I still think the WRX STi & the Corvette C5 are two of the most stellar options on the market next year as far as performance/mpg goes. (on paper that is, keep in mind I have never driven either of these cars-- opinion is subject to change upon test drive)

http://www.fantasycars.com/sedans/html/wrxnewsti.html
http://www.neosoft.com/~cbjetboy/c5specs.htm

**Claeren** · 7-25-02, 22:31

I know that if i had a summer car and a winter car, or at least if i lived in a warmer climate, i would go for the vette - but if i could only have one car, and seeing as it CAN snow here (like much of northern north america/canada) 8 months of the year, the WRX STI seems like a much better choice. I wouldn't want to be cruising down one of our curvy freeway's in December in a Vette, that's for sure...

Claeren.

**jduffett** · 7-25-02, 23:52

A car isn't just a motor. You've got to look at more than peak horsepower, and at more than acceleration times. If GM decided to make a four-cylinder turbocharged Corvette, who would buy it? People who buy Vettes buy for many reasons, but good old fashioned (comparitively anyway) american V8 torque and rumble have got to be high on that list. That it does so well on fuel, handles well, looks good, is a reliable daily driver, and is such a great bang for the buck just makes it that much more appealing. The Subaru produces similar performance results, but with a completely different approach. It comes in a practical package, and with the AWD advantage, makes much more sense as a daily driver to a lot of people (like Claeren). Though performance is similar, for me at least, cars aren't about the numbers, they're about the driving experience. I have yet to drive a Vette, but I certainly have driven some nice torquey V8's, and I have driven the WRX. They are certainly very different, but each approach to driving fun has its merits, and suit different peoples tastes (though I for one would be satisfied by either). The more variety the better I say.

**jewbacca** · 7-26-02, 10:49

The V-8 NSX will decimate all

**Scooby** · 7-26-02, 12:48

Quote:

Originally posted by jewbacca
The V-8 NSX will decimate all

it better for $100k

**Gt3hardass** · 7-26-02, 13:56

i just dont see how you can compare these two cars. there two TOTALY different cars. even if the times are similarthere too different to compare

**Phil_Berry** · 7-26-02, 14:50

The WRX is more practical of course, but when
people are looking for a nice rumble when
they drive,with lots of torque, of course the
Vette is the shizzle.........

It all depends on what the consumer prefers.

**SilverLS** · 7-26-02, 19:57

the thing is they shouldnt be compared.. the Corvette should be in a way higher level than any of these cars, they all have half the engine size or less than half... But its just a testiment to how much better jap is than american when there biggest sports car engine is a 3.2L, and the reason the NSX is worth so much is because of the quality of the vehicle.. look at any acura car, they dont lose value half as quickly as a chevy. whcih is awsome if you are buying them new, not so good if u buy one used..

**GTSMayhem6** · 7-26-02, 21:24

ok i just have one thing to say...i am so sick of the way people think of cars now days, they always have to think of where the car was made, what size engine blah blah blah. A GOOD CAR IS A GOOD CAR. Look a vette would out handle a wrx, it looks better (in my opinion) and i just love the possibilities of having a 5.7L V8. The wrx is a small 4 cylinder turbo, has all wheel drive, and is a crazy little car. they are both great. You can compare any 2 cars, and no one will ever agree on which one is better or not, cuz its all preference and opinion, but one thing that pisses me off is people like you silver. Ok the corvette is american but why does that make it bad? Mazda is affiliated with ford, does that make mazda bad? NOOOO. Who cares where a car is from that makes no difference. there are good cars everywhere. US has viper, corvette, and mustang (i know i know dont even say anything, its a mustang but hey they are still fast). Japan has the NSX the Supra, The Rx-7(the engine in the rx-7 was not developed by the japanese so you can not take credit for the Wankle rotary engine). Germany has porsche, italy has ferrari. So all of you that are all biased because of the location of the manufacturer of a car, i send this to you, i hate you people and you are what the car loving society needs to get rid of. Not get rid of as kill you, but you definately need to be educated and you could learn a thing or 2 about cars, because iw as the same way at first, i used to say of american cars are the best and nothin else can touch them...but then i looked and realized that it truthfully doesnt matter, a fast car isnt the only good car, people like different things. Small engines arent the only way to go ya know? Just cuz a engine is big doesnt mean a thing. "A means to an end"...it doesnt matter what you do to get there, as long as you get there. Some choose to go for small, modified engines, some just go with huge displacement. And dont give me that argument "oh yea american cars are all huge v-8's that gussle the gas" cuz as earlier stated in this thread, the corvette has a 5.7 litter v-8 and it has about the same gas mileage as the 4 cylinder WRX. So please just learn something and stop being a disgrace to all of us that spend so much of our time learning, studying, loving cars. thank you

**Gt3hardass** · 7-26-02, 22:15

Quote:

Originally posted by SilverLS
who cares that the engine in the corvette is twice the size did you say? Well i do.. its chevy crap, how can a 5.7L engine make so little power? The bottom line is the car sucks, it comes so souped up from the factory there is almost nothing that can be done to get more power.. the WRX on the other hand has alot of potential power waiting to be tapped and its not gonna cost your 10 grand to do it...
Can you say half the price for 1/3 engine size and half the hp. but more speed and drivability?? bottom line is anyone who buys a corvette over a wrx, 3000gt vr-4, Supra TT, 300ZX, NSX, is dumb. All of the cars i named get close to or better performance out of smaller engines in more useable better quality funner to drive better looking vehicles for around the same price... its just a fact that american cant make good engines, or cars bottom line!

and remember, every car that competes with american cars here is acutally even faster in Japan.. So when a 5.0L mustang beats a Integra GSR by 1 car length here, it is racing a degraded version of the car, and would get destroyed by that same 1.8L Jap spec engine.. or same thing with our cars, as most of your know!

hahahahahah. dude first of all a corvette isnt crap. its a great car. i dont understand you rlogic regarding the vette. how the hell can you say its crap? second, if you take a vette over a vr4,300z,supra,nsx,wrx your not dumb. the vr4,supra,300z will be used,over a new car. id take a new car. and a wrx is ok but its so different than a vette, you cant compare them. and a nsx is double what a vette costs. so i dont see how you are dumb if you choose a vette over those cars.and thirdly who cars about japanese stats. were in america not japan. its different emissions and not to mention a different country where none of us will probly ever go to. so to me thats totaly useless.

**Brad** · 7-27-02, 15:10

i used to hate v8 sports cars, but now i have respect for them. the vette is an amazing machine. i was riding in my friend's the other day. its a 95, and in really good shape. 100 mph in 6th gear, 2000 rpms!!! thats it! i mean... the car's highway gas milage is verging on an economy car's, yet when you get on it, it can rip up pretty much anything on the street

in my heart though, im partial to jap cars. just not he wrx. those things are not all they're cracked up to be. believe me when i tell you i beat one all the way through 4th gear. we were on the interstate and both gunned it from 90 to 115, and then i switched into 5th and let off. i managed to put about a half car on him. obviously off the line it would own me, but thats it's only real strong point.

my opinion is the vette is a damn nice car, and exemplifies what americans can do when they want to put out some quality machinery.

**GTSMayhem6** · 7-27-02, 22:38

yea mxmissle, corvettes are crazy. but can i ask you why you are partial to japanese cars? is it because they are from japan? lol or do you just like the cars? cuz if you say its cuz they are japanese...i might have to judo chop your @ss haha.

**SilverLS** · 7-28-02, 5:41

Quote:

Originally posted by GTSMayhem6
ok i just have one thing to say...i am so sick of the way people think of cars now days, they always have to think of where the car was made, what size engine blah blah blah. A GOOD CAR IS A GOOD CAR. Look a vette would out handle a wrx, it looks better (in my opinion) and i just love the possibilities of having a 5.7L V8. The wrx is a small 4 cylinder turbo, has all wheel drive, and is a crazy little car. they are both great. You can compare any 2 cars, and no one will ever agree on which one is better or not, cuz its all preference and opinion, but one thing that pisses me off is people like you silver. Ok the corvette is american but why does that make it bad? Mazda is affiliated with ford, does that make mazda bad? NOOOO. Who cares where a car is from that makes no difference. there are good cars everywhere. US has viper, corvette, and mustang (i know i know dont even say anything, its a mustang but hey they are still fast). Japan has the NSX the Supra, The Rx-7(the engine in the rx-7 was not developed by the japanese so you can not take credit for the Wankle rotary engine). Germany has porsche, italy has ferrari. So all of you that are all biased because of the location of the manufacturer of a car, i send this to you, i hate you people and you are what the car loving society needs to get rid of. Not get rid of as kill you, but you definately need to be educated and you could learn a thing or 2 about cars, because iw as the same way at first, i used to say of american cars are the best and nothin else can touch them...but then i looked and realized that it truthfully doesnt matter, a fast car isnt the only good car, people like different things. Small engines arent the only way to go ya know? Just cuz a engine is big doesnt mean a thing. "A means to an end"...it doesnt matter what you do to get there, as long as you get there. Some choose to go for small, modified engines, some just go with huge displacement. And dont give me that argument "oh yea american cars are all huge v-8's that gussle the gas" cuz as earlier stated in this thread, the corvette has a 5.7 litter v-8 and it has about the same gas mileage as the 4 cylinder WRX. So please just learn something and stop being a disgrace to all of us that spend so much of our time learning, studying, loving cars. thank you

First thing that i noticed in your reply was that u said mustangs are fast... there goes your credibility.. Mustangs are slow, 1.8L Acura Type R will destroy a mustang.. And that same engine is used in a car called the Lotus Elise, i read an article (cant remember the magazine).. they took the best Mustang u can get, like the cobra S or some 4.6L supercharged souped up to **** american b/s.. and put it up against the elise w/1.8L I-4 (same engine as type R).. and they tried every type of take off possible and the mustang just couldnt beat the elise.. Like cmon, how can u deny that american sucks when they soup up a car this bad and it cant beat an unmodified 1.8L 4cylinder? how do you explain that, i try to explain that it sucks but american badass's just dont get it, they are to blinded by their big engine, maybe cuz the hoods longer than the rest of the car. LOL... and u say vipers and stuff are fast, they are, but not nearly as fast as they should be, with that size of engine they should be pushing 1000hp, even turbocharged they dont get that high.. when a honda civic can be tuned and turboed to over 1000hp.. that is sad on american car companies part...
I know mazda is affiliated with ford.. but really what's going on is mazda is sharing jap technology with ford, and i totally hate them for it, they should stay jap and make good cars instead of the crap they are making now...
The rotary wasnt developed by the japanese but they did perfect it, notice how mazda is the only car company to have it? Before mazda the engine wasnt an option because of all the problems.. Now it gets in jap hands and its an awsome engine/car..
Engine size does mean a thing.. Look if you like euro cars they have V-12's with smaller displacement than american V-8's its bull****, american cant make a fast car without a massive engine running it.. Anyone can take a 8L engine and get 50hp/L, it takes alot of developement and perfection to make a 1.8L engine that makes 122hp/L.. and that is why the quality of japanese vehicles is better also, because t hey make them good, they dont just slap in a huge engine and a light frame and say "there a fast car"..
Also, the more I find out about cars the more i agree that american cars suck and japan makes the best cars, followed by euro's which have a few good engines, but poorly styled vehicles..(for the most part, in my opinion)... when i knew very little about cars i liked american, yes me, i liked them.. then i did my research and found nothing but how much they sucked..
Oh and small modified engines? Sorry but american cars come way more modified from the factory than imports do.. There is way more you can do to a import than a souped up american V-8.. And always remember, the jap cars u see in america are slower cousins of the actual car.. So when that 5.0L down the block beats a GSR by 1 car length remember that it has been downgraded for american soil, go to japan and the 5.0L is eatin dust... For everyone who hates honda and thinks civics suck, you havent done your research, the type R civic (not sold in america, for fear of destroying camaro's on the track)LOL, has 220hp vtec.. which means it has a great torque curve just liek the integra..

7-24-02, 23:10	#17 (permalink)
Scooby Join Date: Sep 2000 Location: Mountain Green, UT, USA Age: 36 iTrader: (1)	NSX is a sweet car but WAY over priced.. they are charging like $92k for one now, what is the v-8 gonna cost? Like many people here are pointing out large displacement does not necessarily equal poor gas mileage or a heavy car. In alot of cases it does. I too an am import kinda guy but I have to give props where they are due. You talk about a $90 grand NSX being better than a $50 grand Z06 vette...hmmm I dont think so...if they cost the same or close to the same, sure Id go for the NSX... but they dont.. Also the only thing more pathetic than a huge displacement engine with lower hp per liter is a dorky vtec with less than half as much torque as horsepower.
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7-25-02, 19:21	#18 (permalink)
1993-LS-5spd Join Date: Dec 2001 Location: nowhere to be found iTrader: (0)	I assumed that the V8 C5 would be significantly heavier, but in fact it is only 137 lbs. heavier. And also I earlier said that the two cars have similar straight line track times. But that is only true for a "hard launch." For a soft launch, the STi performs notably worse, whereas the C5 performance only suffers a little without the hard launch. Eventhough, I've had to defend the C5 here a bit, I still think the WRX STi & the Corvette C5 are two of the most stellar options on the market next year as far as performance/mpg goes. (on paper that is, keep in mind I have never driven either of these cars-- opinion is subject to change upon test drive) http://www.fantasycars.com/sedans/html/wrxnewsti.html http://www.neosoft.com/~cbjetboy/c5specs.htm Last edited by 1993-LS-5spd : 7-25-02 at 19:23.
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7-25-02, 22:31	#19 (permalink)
Claeren Join Date: Oct 2000 Location: Calgary, Alberta, Canada Age: 28 iTrader: (0)	I know that if i had a summer car and a winter car, or at least if i lived in a warmer climate, i would go for the vette - but if i could only have one car, and seeing as it CAN snow here (like much of northern north america/canada) 8 months of the year, the WRX STI seems like a much better choice. I wouldn't want to be cruising down one of our curvy freeway's in December in a Vette, that's for sure... Claeren.
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7-25-02, 23:52	#20 (permalink)
jduffett Join Date: Oct 2001 Location: Hamilton ON, Canada Age: 28 iTrader: (0)	A car isn't just a motor. You've got to look at more than peak horsepower, and at more than acceleration times. If GM decided to make a four-cylinder turbocharged Corvette, who would buy it? People who buy Vettes buy for many reasons, but good old fashioned (comparitively anyway) american V8 torque and rumble have got to be high on that list. That it does so well on fuel, handles well, looks good, is a reliable daily driver, and is such a great bang for the buck just makes it that much more appealing. The Subaru produces similar performance results, but with a completely different approach. It comes in a practical package, and with the AWD advantage, makes much more sense as a daily driver to a lot of people (like Claeren). Though performance is similar, for me at least, cars aren't about the numbers, they're about the driving experience. I have yet to drive a Vette, but I certainly have driven some nice torquey V8's, and I have driven the WRX. They are certainly very different, but each approach to driving fun has its merits, and suit different peoples tastes (though I for one would be satisfied by either). The more variety the better I say.
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7-26-02, 10:49	#21 (permalink)
jewbacca Join Date: Apr 2002 Location: Calgary, Alberta iTrader: (0)	The V-8 NSX will decimate all
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7-24-02, 22:28	#16 (permalink)
Metalhead Join Date: Jul 2002 Location: Behind you iTrader: (0)	I'm a big Corvette fan first off. Second, one thing in this thread made me crack up. SilverLS, you said the NSX is a better looking car than the vette. I don't know about you, but when I see an NSX I think of a C4 or C5 Corvette. And the Corvette still looks meaner.

7-26-02, 13:56	#23 (permalink)
Gt3hardass Join Date: Jul 2002 Location: Ashburnham,Mass. Age: 23 iTrader: (0)	i just dont see how you can compare these two cars. there two TOTALY different cars. even if the times are similarthere too different to compare

7-26-02, 14:50	#24 (permalink)
Phil_Berry Dr. Dominologist Join Date: Feb 2002 Location: Chicago, IL, USA Age: 35 iTrader: (0)	The WRX is more practical of course, but when people are looking for a nice rumble when they drive,with lots of torque, of course the Vette is the shizzle......... It all depends on what the consumer prefers.
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7-26-02, 19:57	#25 (permalink)
SilverLS Join Date: Jun 2002 Location: Saskatoon, Canada iTrader: (0)	the thing is they shouldnt be compared.. the Corvette should be in a way higher level than any of these cars, they all have half the engine size or less than half... But its just a testiment to how much better jap is than american when there biggest sports car engine is a 3.2L, and the reason the NSX is worth so much is because of the quality of the vehicle.. look at any acura car, they dont lose value half as quickly as a chevy. whcih is awsome if you are buying them new, not so good if u buy one used..

7-26-02, 21:24	#26 (permalink)
GTSMayhem6 Join Date: Jun 2002 Location: the ASH mass Age: 22 iTrader: (0)	ok i just have one thing to say...i am so sick of the way people think of cars now days, they always have to think of where the car was made, what size engine blah blah blah. A GOOD CAR IS A GOOD CAR. Look a vette would out handle a wrx, it looks better (in my opinion) and i just love the possibilities of having a 5.7L V8. The wrx is a small 4 cylinder turbo, has all wheel drive, and is a crazy little car. they are both great. You can compare any 2 cars, and no one will ever agree on which one is better or not, cuz its all preference and opinion, but one thing that pisses me off is people like you silver. Ok the corvette is american but why does that make it bad? Mazda is affiliated with ford, does that make mazda bad? NOOOO. Who cares where a car is from that makes no difference. there are good cars everywhere. US has viper, corvette, and mustang (i know i know dont even say anything, its a mustang but hey they are still fast). Japan has the NSX the Supra, The Rx-7(the engine in the rx-7 was not developed by the japanese so you can not take credit for the Wankle rotary engine). Germany has porsche, italy has ferrari. So all of you that are all biased because of the location of the manufacturer of a car, i send this to you, i hate you people and you are what the car loving society needs to get rid of. Not get rid of as kill you, but you definately need to be educated and you could learn a thing or 2 about cars, because iw as the same way at first, i used to say of american cars are the best and nothin else can touch them...but then i looked and realized that it truthfully doesnt matter, a fast car isnt the only good car, people like different things. Small engines arent the only way to go ya know? Just cuz a engine is big doesnt mean a thing. "A means to an end"...it doesnt matter what you do to get there, as long as you get there. Some choose to go for small, modified engines, some just go with huge displacement. And dont give me that argument "oh yea american cars are all huge v-8's that gussle the gas" cuz as earlier stated in this thread, the corvette has a 5.7 litter v-8 and it has about the same gas mileage as the 4 cylinder WRX. So please just learn something and stop being a disgrace to all of us that spend so much of our time learning, studying, loving cars. thank you Last edited by GTSMayhem6 : 7-26-02 at 21:31.
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7-27-02, 15:10	#28 (permalink)
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7-27-02, 22:38	#29 (permalink)
GTSMayhem6 Join Date: Jun 2002 Location: the ASH mass Age: 22 iTrader: (0)	yea mxmissle, corvettes are crazy. but can i ask you why you are partial to japanese cars? is it because they are from japan? lol or do you just like the cars? cuz if you say its cuz they are japanese...i might have to judo chop your @ss haha.
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