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[Mr TransAm]

People Like SilverLS are why i almost told the dealer i wanted his 95 V6 Firebird instead of this 6 I was looking for a daily driver but wasnt sure if i wanted to be driving a "import" car because i hate the attitdue of alot of import drivers my i4 will beat you v8 b/s, sure the jap versions of some of these cars may give me a better run for my money but you go out and by your civic or any other i4 or v6 powered import put 10k into it in mods ill do the same with my t/a i promise i will win its not a matter of import or domestic or anything like that its displacement the bigger the enigne the more power and things you can do there is a limit to what you can feasibly do to anycar a 1000hp i4 is going to be way out of budget for most every person on this board but a 1000 hp out of a v8 is alot closer although still pretty expensive, and if i gave a rats a$$ about MPG i would be into performance like i am.

i love my 6 although i have to get the enigne rebuilt due to the rough life it lived before me and i can't do it my self i dont have the know how yet (any suggestions on this venture would be welcome) all she is is my daily driving toy that im going to do a little with while building my T/A up, while also being a learning tool so that i can mess up the 6 instead of the T/A

just my 2.cents

and the MX6 is a cool car just so ya'll know i'm not bashing it or any other import all cars are cool in there own perspective

[Gt3hardass]

Originally posted by SilverLS



First thing that i noticed in your reply was that u said mustangs are fast... there goes your credibility.. Mustangs are slow, 1.8L Acura Type R will destroy a mustang.. And that same engine is used in a car called the Lotus Elise, i read an article (cant remember the magazine).. they took the best Mustang u can get, like the cobra S or some 4.6L supercharged souped up to **** american b/s.. and put it up against the elise w/1.8L I-4 (same engine as type R).. and they tried every type of take off possible and the mustang just couldnt beat the elise.. Like cmon, how can u deny that american sucks when they soup up a car this bad and it cant beat an unmodified 1.8L 4cylinder? how do you explain that, i try to explain that it sucks but american badass's just dont get it, they are to blinded by their big engine, maybe cuz the hoods longer than the rest of the car. LOL... and u say vipers and stuff are fast, they are, but not nearly as fast as they should be, with that size of engine they should be pushing 1000hp, even turbocharged they dont get that high.. when a honda civic can be tuned and turboed to over 1000hp.. that is sad on american car companies part...
I know mazda is affiliated with ford.. but really what's going on is mazda is sharing jap technology with ford, and i totally hate them for it, they should stay jap and make good cars instead of the crap they are making now...
The rotary wasnt developed by the japanese but they did perfect it, notice how mazda is the only car company to have it? Before mazda the engine wasnt an option because of all the problems.. Now it gets in jap hands and its an awsome engine/car..
Engine size does mean a thing.. Look if you like euro cars they have V-12's with smaller displacement than american V-8's its bull****, american cant make a fast car without a massive engine running it.. Anyone can take a 8L engine and get 50hp/L, it takes alot of developement and perfection to make a 1.8L engine that makes 122hp/L.. and that is why the quality of japanese vehicles is better also, because t hey make them good, they dont just slap in a huge engine and a light frame and say "there a fast car"..
Also, the more I find out about cars the more i agree that american cars suck and japan makes the best cars, followed by euro's which have a few good engines, but poorly styled vehicles..(for the most part, in my opinion)... when i knew very little about cars i liked american, yes me, i liked them.. then i did my research and found nothing but how much they sucked..
Oh and small modified engines? Sorry but american cars come way more modified from the factory than imports do.. There is way more you can do to a import than a souped up american V-8.. And always remember, the jap cars u see in america are slower cousins of the actual car.. So when that 5.0L down the block beats a GSR by 1 car length remember that it has been downgraded for american soil, go to japan and the 5.0L is eatin dust... For everyone who hates honda and thinks civics suck, you havent done your research, the type R civic (not sold in america, for fear of destroying camaro's on the track)LOL, has 220hp vtec.. which means it has a great torque curve just liek the integra..

may 2002 sc. i have the issue right here. the lotus won BECAUSE ITS A LOTUS, not because it had a b18 inside.it weighed like a little voer1600lbs.and that isnt the stock elise engine,and the stang was TOTALY STOCK!. the lotus would of won even if it didnt have a b18. do your homework, an elise is a great car. putting a b18 in it doesnt make it any better.and stangs arent slow. it did a 13.4 second 1/4 mile. THATS FAST. and explain to me how a car weighing 1600lbs. WONT beat a car weighing double than it. and it doesnt matter where a car is made. your just going by sterotypes of the majority of the cars made there. not all american cars have big engines. and not all japanese cars rule. yeah sorry to burst your bubble. they make efficient small displacement engines, which for the most part need a turbocharger/supercharger to keep up with the vettes,vipers,etc.. so just stop with the whole american cars are crap thing because its annoying as hell and it's the stupidst thing ive ever heard.

[GTSMayhem6]

im sorry for doing this...i usually dont like to put people down because its pointless...but silverLS, you keep on saying that people need to do your homework and stuff, i think you need to get a brain. from what i hear you saying, yuo dont know anything about cars. A 2001 Ford mustang gt runs 5.4 0-60 and about 14 second 1/4...with a stock 4.6 with about 260 horse....and yes it is about 27 grand which in not expensive in the sports car world. How in the world can you call that slow? now thats only the gt....how about that cobra? the new one does 4.5 0-60 and 12.9 1/4...the 2000 cobra R did 4.7 0-60 and 13.2 1/4...the rousch stage 3 mustang does 0-60 in 4.1 seconds and 1/4 in 12.5...now these are all stock and you can get them straight from ford...are you telling me that these cars are slow? im not sure where you get your info, but these cars are hanging up there with the almighty supra tt...so stop talking $hit. Now the Elise is a great car, i havent seen the article about an elise beating a mustang, but an elise is also light as hell...and expensive as hell too. And please stop talking like japanese cars are the best things in the world. Im not an american car guy, im not a japanese car guy, im just a true car guy. and unlike you, i know a good car when i see one. you need to grow up. and i have heard enough of this argument about how cars in japan are faster...yes i know they are, but do you understand that their emmisions are not nearly as strict as ours? meaning that they can do more to their cars without having to worry as much about emmisions...so please stop using that argument, a little kid could understand why that is irrelevant, so why cant you? It seems like you bumped your head a few too many times and now you have gone retarded. American cars do not all have huge V-8's, but those that do often are just a v-8 with no turbo or supercharger...almost all fast japanese cars have turbos or superchargers on them to ENHANCE THE ENGINES STOCK PERFORMANCE. Im not saying americans are better because they dont use turbos...but like i said before its "a means to an end". Who cars how you make your car fast, as long as the car is fast why does it matter? Dont say huge engines guzzle the gas, bigger engines dont go to the high rpms like smaller engines...so it kinda balances out the gas mileage...so once again that argument is useless. You can give me any argument you want and i guarantee i can prove to you that you are wrong. Japanese cars are in no way better than American, but American cars are in no way better than Japanese. Please stop with your childish remarks, i think we are all tired of hearing you talk about the integra type R vs a mustang. The integra type R does 6.2 for 0-60 and 14.8 in 1/4....pretty far off from even the mustang gt which as i earlier stated is 5.4 and 14. Are you in denial or something? because if all of this doesnt prove anything to you then...you are hopeless and i dont think that you will ever learn anything cuz you say you know stuff about cars....well this is the basics, the fundamentals of cars...who cares where it is manufactured if its good, its good, you cant argue with that. American cars do not come more modified than imports do...turbos are a huge step in the world of modifications and many japanese cars have them...while very few american cars do...so just stop kiddin yourself. god i dont know...mx6.com is starting to become a place filled with people that are biased towards japanese cars just cuz you have a "6" doesnt make japanese cars the best.

[SilverLS]

Originally posted by Gt3hardass






may 2002 sc. i have the issue right here. the lotus won BECAUSE ITS A LOTUS, not because it had a b18 inside.it weighed like a little voer1600lbs.and that isnt the stock elise engine,and the stang was TOTALY STOCK!. the lotus would of won even if it didnt have a b18. do your homework, an elise is a great car. putting a b18 in it doesnt make it any better.and stangs arent slow. it did a 13.4 second 1/4 mile. THATS FAST. and explain to me how a car weighing 1600lbs. WONT beat a car weighing double than it. and it doesnt matter where a car is made. your just going by sterotypes of the majority of the cars made there. not all american cars have big engines. and not all japanese cars rule. yeah sorry to burst your bubble. they make efficient small displacement engines, which for the most part need a turbocharger/supercharger to keep up with the vettes,vipers,etc.. so just stop with the whole american cars are crap thing because its annoying as hell and it's the stupidst thing ive ever heard.

what are u talking about the stang engine was totally stock.. it is supercharged to start out, and i bet they did every other thing possible to make it fast... How would the lotus have won without a light small engine that produces 195hp? how? ****ty engine = ****ty car.. what car weighs 1600 pounds and wont beat a 3200pound car? and what kind of engine does the other car have, because the 1600 pound car must have less than a 2L..
You are right about one thing, not all american cars have big engines, but so what, even the small engines suck.. its not about size, its about what u get for the size.. how do u explain a 5L making less hp and torque than a 3.2L?
I also agree with the turbo/super charge statement.. put one of those in a small import engine and u will keep up with the best america has...
Whats annoying as hell is when a huge V-8 pulls up next to me and wants to race me.. he thinks its a fair race and thinks its good if he can beat a 2.5L with a 7.3L 454 hemi crap that gets 8mpg.. If this car weighs the same as mine why isnt it 3 times faster, it has 3 times the engine.. LOL

[SilverLS]

Originally posted by GTSMayhem6
im sorry for doing this...i usually dont like to put people down because its pointless...but silverLS, you keep on saying that people need to do your homework and stuff, i think you need to get a brain. from what i hear you saying, yuo dont know anything about cars. A 2001 Ford mustang gt runs 5.4 0-60 and about 14 second 1/4...with a stock 4.6 with about 260 horse....and yes it is about 27 grand which in not expensive in the sports car world. How in the world can you call that slow? now thats only the gt....how about that cobra? the new one does 4.5 0-60 and 12.9 1/4...the 2000 cobra R did 4.7 0-60 and 13.2 1/4...the rousch stage 3 mustang does 0-60 in 4.1 seconds and 1/4 in 12.5...now these are all stock and you can get them straight from ford...are you telling me that these cars are slow? im not sure where you get your info, but these cars are hanging up there with the almighty supra tt...so stop talking $hit. Now the Elise is a great car, i havent seen the article about an elise beating a mustang, but an elise is also light as hell...and expensive as hell too. And please stop talking like japanese cars are the best things in the world. Im not an american car guy, im not a japanese car guy, im just a true car guy. and unlike you, i know a good car when i see one. you need to grow up. and i have heard enough of this argument about how cars in japan are faster...yes i know they are, but do you understand that their emmisions are not nearly as strict as ours? meaning that they can do more to their cars without having to worry as much about emmisions...so please stop using that argument, a little kid could understand why that is irrelevant, so why cant you? It seems like you bumped your head a few too many times and now you have gone retarded. American cars do not all have huge V-8's, but those that do often are just a v-8 with no turbo or supercharger...almost all fast japanese cars have turbos or superchargers on them to ENHANCE THE ENGINES STOCK PERFORMANCE. Im not saying americans are better because they dont use turbos...but like i said before its "a means to an end". Who cars how you make your car fast, as long as the car is fast why does it matter? Dont say huge engines guzzle the gas, bigger engines dont go to the high rpms like smaller engines...so it kinda balances out the gas mileage...so once again that argument is useless. You can give me any argument you want and i guarantee i can prove to you that you are wrong. Japanese cars are in no way better than American, but American cars are in no way better than Japanese. Please stop with your childish remarks, i think we are all tired of hearing you talk about the integra type R vs a mustang. The integra type R does 6.2 for 0-60 and 14.8 in 1/4....pretty far off from even the mustang gt which as i earlier stated is 5.4 and 14. Are you in denial or something? because if all of this doesnt prove anything to you then...you are hopeless and i dont think that you will ever learn anything cuz you say you know stuff about cars....well this is the basics, the fundamentals of cars...who cares where it is manufactured if its good, its good, you cant argue with that. American cars do not come more modified than imports do...turbos are a huge step in the world of modifications and many japanese cars have them...while very few american cars do...so just stop kiddin yourself. god i dont know...mx6.com is starting to become a place filled with people that are biased towards japanese cars just cuz you have a "6" doesnt make japanese cars the best.

sorry you misinterpreted.. 5L mustangs are slow.. my friend has a GSR w/header and a muffler.. Mustang also has header and full dual exhaust... He beat this guy, sadly only by a bit.. how can u call that a fast car? the gsr does 7.1s STOCk.. It doesnt come with headers or dual exhaust or hi flow cats or ram air or any of that ****.. he put on two mods and he can beat 5L mustangs that have all this **** done factory.. LOL..
And there you go again, V-8 verses 4cylinder. i love it.. because the type R is an amazing car.. there is no way u can put that thing done.. it runs up there with the RX-7 and the NSX in performance after just a few mods.. just imagine super/turbocharging that engine.. holy **** would that destroy a Cobra.... and they cost less than a new mustang GT.. can get a nice one for 25 grand CAN used in ontario...
I dont know why people keep bringing up the gas thing.. but dont try compare a 5L to a 2.5L engine.. doesnt matter what rpm we are at he is using more gas.. if im at 6,000, and he is at 6,000. which would mean he would blow his ****ty engine.. lol, he would be using alot alot more gas than me.. alot...

[SilverLS]

And its not all about the country.. it just happens that America is the only continent in the world that makes such crappy engines.. They are known for big engines, low hp/L, bad reliability.. I'm not all about japan, europe has some great cars also, the bottom line is, if its a good car I like it.. I havent seen a good car come from Ford, Chrysler, or GM, ever, to my knowledge... Well except for maybe the Corvette.. I admit its impressive that it gets that good of gas mileage, i didnt know that.. but i still hate Camaro's, they suck bad..
Even looking into the future i dont see any of the Big 3 comming out with a good 4 cylinder car.. Lets see Dodge is making its SRT Neon.. which is turbocharged 2.4L and it only makes a dissapointing 205hp.. like cmon, it has turbo and it only makes as much as the RSX type S which is a smaller engine and its N/A.. Its a fast car because its so light, and i used to like neon's when i was an american badass LOL.. but it shud be able to make 100hp/L with a turbo, no excuses.. I dont even wanna know what other stuff they already have done to that either.. it would just make my point even clearer... and make me wonder "why do guys like it?" I dont like cutting down dodge becuase they are the best of the american companies, but they deserve it for that car...

[SilverLS]

Even american companies know there engines cant compete with foriegn engines.. Thats why all fast american cars with 4 or 6 cylinder engines have foriegn engines.. Perfect example is the Probe, Stealth, Taurus SHO, etc.. yes i raced one of these Taurus SHO.. I couldnt believe it when i lost by 1.5 car lengths.. I stopped the guy and asked if he had a V-8 in there.. He said no, and i said bull****, no ford 6 cylinder could beat me.. He was like "its a suzuki", well that explained it.. he turned out to be a pretty good guy, he admited that if it was a ford engine i would have killed him and that was that...

[midnightMX6]

OK child lets sit down for a moment. I really didnt want to get into this argument cuz i figured you would stop talking after you were proven wrong. (im not normaly an ass like this, but hes just really stupid). Lets take the 5.0 and Slap on Flowmasters and some performance headers.....the GSR would be toast. Ok next...lets Supercharge the GSR and supercharge the 5.0....ONCE AGAIN the GSR is toast. You are the one that told us not to compare V8's with I4's!!!!but you went and did it ne way didnt ya? It does not matter where a car is made, If the car has a strong engine and is fast then its good car, why give a **** where it was made? You really need to do research before you claim that you are into cars, cuz damn kid, you threw out some bad ****. I would rather listen to my sister talk about cars than you, at least she doesnt argue with me about stuff she doesnt know. I am dissapointed to know that you own the same car as me, you put the car lovers community to shame. So i think you need to take a little time out and think about what everyone has said to you, then maybe come back and talk to the educated people that represent this site.

.....Your lucky we went easy on you

[midnightMX6]

Thank you for backing my previous statement The ford taurus SHO is as followed....Ford's Taurus SHO (Super High Output) model had an eleven-year run. In 1989 it was introduced with a Yamaha-built 3.0L V6 and only with a 5-speed transmission available. The engine was a Ford/Yamaha co-built engine. DO RESEARCH BEFORE YOU SPEAK. (Suzuki LOL) And dont go thinking Yamaha built this whole engine cuz that again would be wrong.

[Gt3hardass]

i second that...

[midnightMX6]

The new SHO's engine shares the basic architecture of the Duratec 2.5-liter V-6 found in the smaller Contour, with exactly the same bore, stroke, and cylinder spacing. Development time decreases when all of an engine's dimensions and parameters have already been explored. This commonality endows the 3.4-liter V-8 with a 60-degree angle between cylinder banks, relinquishing the usual 90-degree V-8's inherent equilibrium and making the installation of a balance shaft necessary.

Although this is a Ford engine, development was shared by Yamaha, which machines and assembles the engines in Japan after receiving castings produced, using a patented Cosworth process, by Ford's plant in Windsor, Ontario. The finished engines are shipped back to Ford's Atlanta assembly plant for installation in the SHO Taurus. It is the only Ford engine with direct ignition, reverse-flow cooling, and aluminum bucket tappets in the valve train.

1996 Car and Driver......

[Gt3hardass]

Originally posted by SilverLS


what are u talking about the stang engine was totally stock.. it is supercharged to start out, and i bet they did every other thing possible to make it fast... How would the lotus have won without a light small engine that produces 195hp? how? ****ty engine = ****ty car.. what car weighs 1600 pounds and wont beat a 3200pound car? and what kind of engine does the other car have, because the 1600 pound car must have less than a 2L..
You are right about one thing, not all american cars have big engines, but so what, even the small engines suck.. its not about size, its about what u get for the size.. how do u explain a 5L making less hp and torque than a 3.2L?
I also agree with the turbo/super charge statement.. put one of those in a small import engine and u will keep up with the best america has...
Whats annoying as hell is when a huge V-8 pulls up next to me and wants to race me.. he thinks its a fair race and thinks its good if he can beat a 2.5L with a 7.3L 454 hemi crap that gets 8mpg.. If this car weighs the same as mine why isnt it 3 times faster, it has 3 times the engine.. LOL

dude why are you arguing.? the issue..........right here.........in hands.........stang is bone stock man.no superchargers, no nothing.STOCK!!! and im not sure about the elise stock engine but i believe its a 1.9 liter. its no wonder an elise owned a stang on the track but its not because it had a honda engine. its because the car itself is amazing. now im not saying i hate japanese cars or anything,because i love them, but there not the best cars ever. and i dont see why you brought this up because a lotus elise is british,not japanese. and it still had more english in it that jap. just do your homework nextime man. stick with the facts and dont exhadurate.


ps. SHO aint suzuki

[Mr TransAm]

7.3L 454 hemi

ROFLMAO

426 Hemi the 454 is a Chevy Engine there was never a 454 Hemi once again research before you print

[GTSMayhem6]

Im glad that all of you guys agree with me...and you make it a little easier cuz i could totally own this guy by myself but hey you guys did all the talkin this time haha. Silver, you are just a hypocritical retard. like midnight stated, you keep telling me not to compare a v8 to an I4, but thats what you keep on doing. and the problem is, you are giving all of the wrong information anyways. Whatever i truthfully dont care, but i just want you to know that your babbling is not getting you anywhere, you are wrong, you are dumb and immature and you definately put the car loving community to shame. Just face it, yuo have no argument against us, and we are right

[GTSMayhem6]

oh yea one more thing silverLS...stop trying to act like your opinions are all a fact...if you like the integra more than a mustang FINE thats your opinion, but dont try to tell other people that a mustang is really slow and an integra GSR would beat it(no way in hell if its stock to stock...and if you mod them both as much as possible the mustang would beat it even harder...). You are the type of person that makes us all a little dumber just because we listen to you...people come in here and read what yuo say and probably believe some of it...meaning you just falsely informed people and they too become car illiterate...you are a disease...please just go home, we dont want you here.