Subaru WRX STi vs. Chevrolet Corvette C5

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Originally posted by Goatcrapp

enjoy your a$$hole flavored sticky pops - since youre pulling opinions out of your ass, might as well pull candy out of it too.

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I'd give you karma for that comment, but there isnt any to give.

[Mr TransAm]

enjoy your a$$hole flavored sticky pops - since youre pulling opinions out of your ass, might as well pull candy out of it too.

DAAAAAAAHAHAHAHAHAHA

I'd give you karma for that comment, but there isnt any to give.

Nuff said

[Gt3hardass]

hahahaah yes! i havent shecked this thread for a few daysand im pumped that theres more people joining this argument. this is so crappy im just gunna stop. but one more thing, you said n/a isnt good. integra gsr which youve been defending all this time? turbo stock ?NO n/a stock? YES GROW THE HELL UP. i hope this motivates you to do some homework on cars.

p.s. hhahahahhaha sticky pops

[SilverLS]

Originally posted by GTSMayhem6
ok silver i despise you...you need to grow up and learn something about cars. Yes i agree that the acura rsx type s is fast and its a great car, but american cars are generally bigger in size, for more comfort...meaning they use bigger engines. Either way, please do not say that a mustang is slow, because its not. Whether it has a 4.6 or a 5.0 it is still a fast car...faster than the rsx type s. Yes i know i just compared a 4 cylinder to a v8, but you know what? screw you, who are you to say that we cant do that? you are being quite hypocritical cuz yuo are comparing them left and right, but whenever i say a v8 is better you get all pissed or you just ignore it...how about you face the facts, japanese cars are not better, american cars are not better...a car is a car.

How can u honestly say japnese cars arent better made than american cars? I find it amazing they have higher reving engines, get more performance out of the engine than american can, and they still have better reliability and quality.. and everyone knows this, no matter how much you like american cars i dont see how it can be denied..
Youve also gotta admit a base model mustang is slow.. 3.8L engine that makes more hp and way more torque than my car.. plus its RWD, and i can beat them.. LOL.. How much does this car have at the wheels, because it must lose alot of power through the drivetrain to be as slow as it is.. I raced a guy yesterday with a 2001 w/20,000km.. he said he only had a K&N filter and no other mods, you can see my mods, i dont have much more.. both of our cars are 5spd. i was steadily pulling away from him at all rpm's in all gears, we raced 1/8 mile and i was about 2 1/2 car lengths ahead.. his car is only 300 pounds more than mine so weight is no excuse.. I read somewhere that every 250 lb you remove from your car is like adding 5hp.. so he has alot more than 5hp more than me.. it must be a ****ty made engine not made for racing or have many other poor quality parts throughout..

[SilverLS]

Originally posted by Gt3hardass
hahahaah yes! i havent shecked this thread for a few daysand im pumped that theres more people joining this argument. this is so crappy im just gunna stop. but one more thing, you said n/a isnt good. integra gsr which youve been defending all this time? turbo stock ?NO n/a stock? YES GROW THE HELL UP. i hope this motivates you to do some homework on cars.

p.s. hhahahahhaha sticky pops

what are you talking about guy.. when did i say naturally aspirated engines arent good??? Why would i only like cars that come with a turbo stock.. Learn to read more closely

[SilverLS]

2002 Mustang. 2002 Nissan Altima.
3.8L $20,000.. 3,066lb 3.5L $22,000. 3,178lb
HP: 190 @5250rpm 240 @5800rpm
Torque: 220 @2750rpm 246 @4400rpm
0-60: 7s 6.3s
1/4mile: 15.5s 14.7s

Obviously the altima isnt a race car.. its a luxury 4dr sedan.. It has more weight than the mustang and a smaller Engine, which (because its import) produces more hp than the larger ford engine. Even the Maxima w/ its 3.0L has the same 0-60 time and is only .1s slower on 1/4 mile than the Mustang... it also makes more hp: 222 @6400rpm, torque: 217 @4000rpm from a yet smaller engine than the altima.. also weighs the same as the altima..

Anyway, if this isnt enough yet, lets look at the 1995 Mustang GT also.. 5.0L 3,280lb
215 @4200rpm
285 @3400rpm
6.5s
15.2s
**** on me, even the 5L V-8 is slower than our 4dr sedan.. You would think a car designed to be fords best vehicle would be as fast as a sedan whose buyers are going to be older families.. But no, the mustang acutally loses more and more ground on the Altima , the 0-60 is only .2s diff, the 1/4 mile (where the mustang should shine with its massive V-8) is .5s diff...

Please find me a 4dr american sedan with a smaller or same size engine that can take out any of these companies flagship sports cars...
Acura = NSX
Honda = S2000
Nissan = 300ZX
Mitsubishi = 3000GT vr-4
Toyota = Supra
I think you will find that even the V-8's dont measure up, and no mercedes is not american.. Just like mazda is still made in japan, mercedes is still made in Germany...
Well im finding to many examples of japanese cars being better, ive gotta stop there and see what reason everyone has for not yet accepting it..

[Claeren]

This is the most annoying thread i have read in a long time!

The biggest problem is that there are like 10 arguements going on in one big mess and there is no clash. Narrow it down.

1a) Should we make a distinction between 'domestic' and 'import' (and related arguements)
2) Are 'Japanese' cars better made then 'domestics'
3) Are 'Japanese' cars more efficient then 'domestics'
4) Does one area (if areas are relavent) make more powerful cars
5) Can you even compare cars like this (and related arguements)
6) Are first hand race experiences a relavent fact in an arguement

And that is just off the top of my head. You canot debate something unless the terms have been defined - it is impossible.

In any case, just letting it all die would be best but if you all cannot do that please better define what it is you are trying to prove and prove it without name calling...

My 2 cents...
Claeren.

PS - Silver - Could you please try and fit all your posts into one post? These posts can be pretty long before it makes you start a new one....

[SilverLS]

Originally posted by Goatcrapp


dude youre driving a whalloping 165HP mx6. STFU already. you make yourself look stupider with every post.

"****ty engines" is all you seem to have to say lol. secondly your estimations of certain cars is really.. well.. distorted. you throw aroudn the word "destroy" like 1/2 a carlength means destroying something in a race.

go out and actually DRIVE a vette. you will understand. until then - enjoy your a$$hole flavored sticky pops - since youre pulling opinions out of your ass, might as well pull candy out of it too.

No man.. you go out and drive a Type R.. or just a GSR, or S2000, or RSX type S.. I have only driven a GSR, and it was amazing.. every aspect of driving it is awsome.. i love my car, but theres nothing like honda's VTEC engines.. I have friends who have driven test driven all of these cars and they are amazing.. and i know people with camaroe's, ive driven a 1990 Z28, it was in good condition and all but it's just not as fun to drive and not nearly as tight as any of the above... I cant see the new camaroe's being any better to drive, faster maybe.. but still the same bad sound and handling.. Just the overall feeling wasnt there.. i know u guys know what i mean.. or will after test driving the above..
And goatcrapp, im not making fun of anyones ride directly, so why would you make fun of mine? Youve got a 6 also, whats the deal? I personally like my 165hp mazda.. **** ive beat mustangs(modified), Sunfire GT/Z24(modified), neon R/T(stock), Grand Am/Prix GT's(modified), Dayton Turbo's(stock), Alero's(modified), Cougar V-6's(stock)..havent raced a GTP yet, but it should be close..
I dont have much done yet.. you just wait..

[jewbacca]

I'm a little conflicted on this post...
Fact: There are 2 ways to make power
1) Torque (usually meaning larger displacement)
2) High RPM

Essentially, those relate to 3 types of cars, Domestic cars rely on rule #1, Japanese on #2, and European a little bit of both.

So what happens when you apply rule #1 to a Japanese car? Ask Stephan Papadakis - He hit a 7 second 1/4 time with a 4 cyl engine bored out to something like 6 litres...
What happens when you apply rule #2 to domestic cars? I don't know, if anyone has an example, please feel free to divulge.
The point is, both kinds of cars are good at what they do, and to say 1 is better than the other based on your own enlightened opinion is rediculous...
I'll always be an import fan, something about wicked suspension and high revving engines just gets my heart pumping. I drove my friends Camaro, and it's not all it's cracked up to be

[GTSMayhem6]

ok im gonna end my argument in this thread with a few simple thoughts...a car is a car...love it for what it is and screw what it could be...dont judge it by something irrelevant, and dont come to me with an argument unless you have a legitamate reason and something intelligent to say.

[1993-LS-5spd]

Originally posted by SilverLS
Please find me a 4dr american sedan with a smaller or same size engine that can take out any of these companies flagship sports cars...

I think you will find that even the V-8's dont measure up

Weve already been over this little guy, no one cares about displacement except for you! People who fall for the idea that there should be some sort of linear relationship between displacement and track times must have learned about cars from their 9 year old sister. You keep running this displacement game, and it is worthless. How many times do we have to tell you. Why dont you go explain your auto theories to an engineer & let him set you straight.

Concerning the second line I quoted from you about v-8's not measuring up, I'll give you an example, the 2002 corvette z06(up to this point, I have been referring to the LS1 corvette, but now its time to bring out the big dog...the z06, now you know your in trouble) .............
0-60 3.9 seconds
1/4 mile 12.4 sec
mpg 19/28 mpg
lateral g 1.00

http://www.supercars.net/garages/MMO/18v2.html

[1993-LS-5spd]

"And, let it be noted, the all-new LS6 engine is so clean that the car qualifies as a low-emissions vehicle" ...........quote from the article linked in my above post about the Corvette Z06. I just cant help loving this car. Relatively great gas mileage, low emissions, supercar performance & at a small fraction of the price of a ferrari or lamborgini. The whole car has such great specs, because its such a beautifully engineered car. The Ferraris/lamborginis may be close in performance, but at about 10 mpg. and around $250,000. Plus, other than the 3rd generation Rx-7, arguably the best looking sports car.

[1993-LS-5spd]

Originally posted by SilverLS
Guy.. does naturally aspirated mean anything to you? throw turbo on the Type S and it would destroy all of the turbo americans u just mentioned..

Turbo Viper
100 bhp/liter
0-60 in 2.7 seconds.
Here is an American turbo that no one can touch for $160,000. Some Euro supercars dont even come close and at about twice the price. And dont pull that, "American cars can only go fast in a straight line" crap. Because it'll pull 1.04 lateral g's. I found these specs so disturbing, my stomach started to hurt. All I can think is why, Why........why dont I have $160,000?

http://www.supercars.net/cars/2000@$...m%20800TT.html
sorry about the multiple posts, I keep running across new information. And Im not some big anti-foreign/pro-domestic car guy. Im just an anti-SilverLS guy, thats all.

I’ve got a question for you, Silver. You are on a Mazda board and are promoting imports, but nobody will agree with you. Why do you think that is? Open your eyes, please.

[jewbacca]

Because you all drive Fords, hahaha
Just kidding, you guys get really pissed off when I say that