Subaru WRX STi vs. Chevrolet Corvette C5

[Halon23]

I know this may be kinda off topic, but I thought that it might generate a few laughs and help silverLS realize a thing or two. So I decided to post it. http://maddox.xmission.com/anime_nerd.html
Read that, its a nice wake up kinda thing, or at least I would consider it to be so in this situation.

[Si[xXx]er]

Man talking to this Silver guy is like talking to the wall, it dont matter what we say he's not going to move or change at all, i personnally plan to ignore him

adding to the post in the build quality and reliability areas my parents own 2 gm's (97 grand prix and a 96 sunfire) both are nice enough cars but the build quality and fit and finish is no comparison when i look at my 1996 mx6. all of the interior parts and surfaces feel "cheap" and almost "fake" but that could simply be the characteristic of the cars i have the most experience with. as far as how reliable cars are, my parents had a 1981 626 2 door that ran every day for 18 years with out a single problem (or much preventative maintence either, like we never replaced the spark plugs nothin, all it had were oil changes) and the day we got rid of that car it still ran like new, but sadly rust had eaten through the entire floor, it was just carpet and then the road...

please also remember i live in winnipeg manitoba, canada one of the hardest places on cars in the world, we are home of the 80 C temp swing and have the some of the worst roads u have ever seen. i heard that car companies test new stuff here cuz cars dont last long and neither do parts, but that could be false...

1 last question, who gets credit with the thread hijack??? i mean this started as C5 vs WRX STI and now it is bash silver any way u can...i love it!

another note...i need to get my car repainted im embarrased to be driving a silver ls...

[mxmissile]

I think Mr. LS himself can take credit for that....

The frightening part of it all is that there's actually been some pretty good info brought about from all this....

[SilverLS]

Hey Sixxxer, i see you are backing up my statement about the build quality of japenese cars over american cars, so u can see that this is true and im the brick wall?? Im trying to point these things out to other people who dont see them.. the ones who just keep driving and dont notice the 5 GM's lined up in a row with their hoods up on the side of the freeway on the way home every time it goes over 20 degrees.. or under 20 degrees for that matter, haha..
I agree there has been some good facts brought up and i think it was a good discussion, it would be nice it we could just keep this thread on track (american vs. import) or just leave it and keep useless comments to ourselves...

[mxmissile]

You're crazy. Actual cost of ownership is more and more in favor of a domestic the older it gets. If the import has fewer issues in the begining, it has as many or more later on, and they're far more expensive to fix.

My 1996 Saturn SL1 has 162K miles on it. I did new brakes, plugs, wires, & battery.

My best freinds 1991 Accord has 142K on it. She just replaced a bad head on the second engine, not to mention other smaller issues.

Point is, there are plenty of both that run forever, it depends on how you treat the car. Imports may break less often (but again, as they age that isn't necessarily true) but they ccost far more to fix. It's a wash, give it up.

[Ryan]

Originally posted by mxmissile
You're crazy. Actual cost of ownership is more and more in favor of a domestic the older it gets. If the import has fewer issues in the begining, it has as many or more later on, and they're far more expensive to fix.

My 1996 Saturn SL1 has 162K miles on it. I did new brakes, plugs, wires, & battery.

My best freinds 1991 Accord has 142K on it. She just replaced a bad head on the second engine, not to mention other smaller issues.

Point is, there are plenty of both that run forever, it depends on how you treat the car. Imports may break less often (but again, as they age that isn't necessarily true) but they ccost far more to fix. It's a wash, give it up.

Just wantet to quote that whole thing to reihterate it, and restat it....while it's true that most imports will run longer without major issues as compared to it's domestic counterpart due to higher build quality, when they do break it costs more because there's more quality built into them.

Conversely, a domestic while it may break sooner and slightly more often costs less for the part because there is less inherent build quality associated with it.

Great exapmple: My 1989 S-10 pickup blew up an alternator, at only around 89,000 miles. Cost for a remanufactured one? $40. My '93 MX-6 LS. 144k miles and alternator is fine. But the cost to replace it is around $140.

So which is cheaper in the long run? An alternator that will cost $120 over a very long 300k mile vehicle lifetime, assuming three replacements, or one that will cost $280 over the same mileage period, assuming only two replacements Then throw in labour and the fact that the S-10's alternator is right up top and the '93 is kinda buried. Again I say

Though I still like my MX more, though I can't really haul 2,000 lbs of hay in the back like my truck could. Different vehicle, different purpose. It's just like the STI versus the 'Vette, different vehicle different purpose.

Laters
Ryan

[Stage36]

i didnt read this whole thread because its 30 pages. i just wanted to see what you guys wree tlaking about in this thread. it turns out that it doesnt have anything to do with subaru or chevy... at least on page 30...

[mxmissile]

Well, it started with somebody pointing out that the 0-60 times for the 'Vette and the WRX were very similar, and that therefor the 'Vette was a ripoff for the asking price. From there it turned into a lengthy discourse on the different methods of producing power, with a certain somebody slamming anything and everything domestic along the way. From there, various examples are given to back up different views, with some interesting technical bits tossed around around. For a while it then degenerated into a general lambasting of that certain individual previously mentioned. A quick detour into some comparisons between the Japanese vs. Domestic (U.S.) business practices as they appliy to other industries in comparison to the automotive one, and now we're back to very occasional spurts of residual artillery fire a' la' the import vs. domestic power and quality "debate". It's pretty much dead, just a few of us who refuse to let the other guy get the last word in.

[Ryan]

Yeah, what he said....


WERD....

[Aussomea]

Originally posted by Stage36
i didnt read this whole thread because its 30 pages. i just wanted to see what you guys wree tlaking about in this thread. it turns out that it doesnt have anything to do with subaru or chevy... at least on page 30...

does that mean that this thread is off topic and gets killed?? pleeeeease........

[Mx6kRaZy_03]

40 pages of this- My eyes hurt after the first 8 pages- but I bet all 31 pages that i didn't read were about much like the first 8-

I don't have a comment because i don't feel like thinking this early in the morning- Just stumbled upon an interesting 40 page thread.


Adam