Forced Induction Anyone?

[NiN^_^NiN]

Just thought why not make a small thread for people who are doing FI or might in the future and for people to get an idea on what it takes to FI the KLDE/KLZE engine

Ok well i'm Supercharging my Probe GT on the stock KLDE engine

List of parts/mods i've needed to do

Millenia S 280cc Injectors in fuel rail
Walbro 190lph/255lph Fuel Pump
Megasquirt V3 Built specificlly for the DE (with launch control)
Aeromotive FRP (not sure if i will need it)

Thats what i need for the fuel system to support boost

Cause i have a ATX i also needed to beef up my tranny

Level 10 Torque Converter (3000rpm stall speed)
Oversized regulator to keep line pressure stable
Boost valve to bump up line pressure
Transgo Shift Kit
Inline External Oil Filter
B&M Transmission cooler

General flush and some clutchbands replaced

Now for the Supercharger i went with a Clutched one so the cars NA but at the push of a button the super charger kicks in

I am using a Mr Speed 2.5 Shafted SC Kit and a M45 Supercharger from a mercades

I have to first get the Fuel Pump and Injectors installed with the Megasquirt and tune it so the car can run properly once thats done i will get the SC Shafted kit modded to fit a ATX (Only MTX Kits available)

Then i just have to put the supercharger on with some new blowoff valves (i have to get ones plumbed back into the system to be legal instead of ones that vent to atmosphere)

When thats finished my car will be boosting 7psi

As for the legal aspect well thats gonna cost afew extra $1000's going to EPA, Engineers and Vicroads

[GotF2TinGD]

injectors seem very small exspecially for 7psi on a 2.5lt

unless you plan on running a high rail pressure

[NiN^_^NiN]

Not at all they are good up to 9psi they are a direct drop into the KL Fuel rails and are what most people want if they are running under 7psi anymore than that and u wanna start building the engine up to support the boost

Why mess with 550cc injectors or any other injector if your running under 10psi millenia S injectors require no mods they are just a direct dropin so they are perfect for FI on the KL

[Turk]

Going turbo right after warranty on the ZE runs out.

FMIC/piping custom made from shop. (no more ac more than likely)
EMS standalone done by shop.
Hotpiping from SSAC
Turbo 2nd hand t3/4 rebuilt from shop ($700 quote i got) or maybe just from wreckers depending on how tight ass i am
Either Millenia(if they enough like nin_nin said) or [SR20 injectors(dirt cheap) modded to go in the old DE rail so i can easily put the DE rail onto the ze after i drive it to the tuning shop]
BOV from unkown source yet
oil psi/temp and boost gauges
+ all the other things that need to be done to get her ready

running on 5psi for a few months, doing compression test than seeing if it can take more. Max 7psi. Wait till i save up more money after another 6 months or so then forged internals and half a rebuild for safety and maybe a touch more boost.

All will be done at home except for FMIC and ECU. drive it to shop and hopefully dont hit boost on the way. Using the SSAC collectors and hopefully they match up to their hot piping (if not it isnt anything an exhaust shop couldnt bend for me). Then i will have the turbo collecters and header downpipe to sell.

Im not sure bout exhuast though. will probably get 2 1/2" next weekend or should wait for turbo to go bigger. Prob stay 2.1/2 even with boost coz i badly need downlow power even at the sacrifice of up top.

As for legal stuff...Leaving that to fate. The mx-6 isnt a cop magnet and engineers certificate are mega expensive and dont always work anyway. Im acutually going to mask as much of the conversion as possible (cover braided lines with rubber, make a housing for turbo that looks like airbox) etc. To the untrained cop he might give the lookover to my dirty as toilet engine bay (it is so dirty now imagine after conversion).

[NiN^_^NiN]

Sik Turk i can tell u that the SSAC hotpipes need to be bent to fit they don't have a great fitment

The millenia S are ur best bet everyone uses them cause they are a direct dropin for the DE and ZE but once u get the internals of the engine done then an upgrade will be in order.

I have 2 bov's id sell u for cheap cause im going the legal route i need to plumb them back intot he system

Also check out Probetalk.com there are sales of complete turbo kits for $800 USD best way to turbo for cheap

Also my mate Loki has a FMU if u don't want to go for a standalone computer like megasquirt

[jmoore]

loki isnt supercharging his car anymore?

[NiN^_^NiN]

Yeah loki is supercharging his car why did u think he wasn't?

[eunos30xk8turbo]

1. u'll need no bigger than millenia s injectors fo 7psi
2. get a standalone, ull need to get one eventually as ive just found out...my afm has gone after 3 months and theyr like 300 to replace.
3. i had my downpipe modded.. good luk with bending it.. u need a 3inch segment inserted to get aound the gearbox
4. a custom fmic setup will cost u a [shizzle] load, even tho i have 1 i wouldnt hve if i couldnt have got it for heap as i did, look at water injection
5 get an engineers certificate, i dont and have anxiety attacks every time i boost up in fears of cops.
6. oh yeah and buy the right turbo...not one with a big exhaust a/r.... i have .48 a/r not sure on compessor or trim specs but i hit boost at 2750 or so
7. dont waste ur time and buy a skyline

[Turk]

Originally Posted by eunos30xk8turbo

1. u'll need no bigger than millenia s injectors fo 7psi
2. get a standalone, ull need to get one eventually as ive just found out...my afm has gone after 3 months and theyr like 300 to replace.
3. i had my downpipe modded.. good luk with bending it.. u need a 3inch segment inserted to get aound the gearbox
4. a custom fmic setup will cost u a [shizzle] load, even tho i have 1 i wouldnt hve if i couldnt have got it for heap as i did, look at water injection
5 get an engineers certificate, i dont and have anxiety attacks every time i boost up in fears of cops.
6. oh yeah and buy the right turbo...not one with a big exhaust a/r.... i have .48 a/r not sure on compessor or trim specs but i hit boost at 2750 or so
7. dont waste ur time and buy a skyline

1. Thats the plan
2. I will definately going standalone. EMS set up tuned everything $1200. I will provide the EMS so will get for cheaper than get them to set it up and tune.
3. Didnt know that. Will probably go to fabricator i know to fix that up.
4. Will look into water injection but so far the expensive FMIC seems the best way. got quoted $800 with them providing all the piping. I figure if i can provide random bent ebay pipes and get fabricator to work with that for bits im missing might be able to save money.
5. Found someone last night that can do engineers cert for me $400 bucks . Will definately be done.
6. Turbo choice is something i will honestly say i havent done as much research into as other parts. When i get closer to build date i will know for sure. I am taking your advice on your suggestion though.
7. fizzle skylines they are nuggets. I will only drive light cars, 1200kg is max for me. I have already had my mx-6 for 3 years and love it. Im in uni and the cost and stress of buying another car is something i dont want to put up with. Rather the cost and stress of turbo . I spent $6500 on buying my car, 3-4k on the turbo set up is saved up. Judging on other ZE-Turbos i know this is going to be a good investment. Oh yer and skylines are nuggets . Some people like em i dont. Exept for GTR32's but i cant afford that and the insurance so yer. Im realistic. Once the Mx-6 has had enough in about 5 years ill get an FD. Till then i want to enjoy my car. Besides people understimate it and i like that. And ive raced enough 200kw atw+ cars and beaten them on Touge to know that the mx-6 is a great car (just irratated me b4 that it had a 626 family car motor in it so thats what the ze was for, made me feel alot better of having a mx-6 and not a 626 coupe. And there original, you dont see many worked ones around so it feels good. Being different is expensive and hard, but also rewarding.

[Michael187]

sik turk dont forget u gotta tap lines into the engine for oil and coolant once u get a turbo .. plus u will more than likely to get davis craig fans set up and put some vents in ur bonnet because once u go turbo that engine bay is gonna become a sauna and u need to keep it cooled down as much as possible.....


just a question for everyone how come your not dropping the compression ratio on the de when u super charge it .... ??????

[GotF2TinGD]

Originally Posted by jmoore

loki isnt supercharging his car anymore?

lol wasnt he doing that like 3years ago

fast worker !

[Fitzyb]

just a question for everyone how come your not dropping the compression ratio on the de when u super charge it .... ??????

cause that costs alot of money and with a good tune you dont really need to for low psi setups

[NiN^_^NiN]

Originally Posted by GotF2TinGD

lol wasnt he doing that like 3years ago

fast worker !

Don't forget it takes quite abit of money to do it and he goes to usa alot to see his gf

I don't have anything stopping me i made sure all my debt was paid off and its only basic things i need to pay for like phone internet etc.

[NiN^_^NiN]

I wouldn't be surprised if a EPA test wouldn't be needed in some states i know vicroads is very strict and they have only a handful of engineeres for certain applications so they know they will follow it all by the book

Altho they don't tell u what they can engineer i rang up a guy which said he does light cars and when i checked with him he is only allowed to engineer seats.

In the other states i know afew people say its their mate and they will bend the rules cause its up to the Vicroads of their state to make sure u are legal where as in this state its engineers that have to it its their jobs

I know almost anything in qld can be engineered and thats it it's the slackest state when it comes to rules for mods

[Turk]

Originally Posted by Michael187

sik turk dont forget u gotta tap lines into the engine for oil and coolant once u get a turbo .. plus u will more than likely to get davis craig fans set up and put some vents in ur bonnet because once u go turbo that engine bay is gonna become a sauna and u need to keep it cooled down as much as possible.....


just a question for everyone how come your not dropping the compression ratio on the de when u super charge it .... ??????

yer oil tapping isnt really big worry. Thats easy enough. My stock fans will do as long as they fit. hood vents definately but later.

I would prefer to have high compression. I dont like relying on boost too much. Running at 5-6psi will be plenty powerful,quick boost and perfect for the kind of racing i do. And plenty strong with right tuning. when these pistons blow (i am counting on it in a few years) they will be rebuilt with forgies but still same compression.

And Nin the engineers thing is weird. I just got a mate of mate who said they paid $450 for turbo conversion on SSS. If it that cheap i will do it. ive heard though of people waving engineers cert to cops and they just ignore and defect anyway because the certs arent really "safe" just that the engineer gave it a tick that it is safe. If you get pulled to the pits the roads authorities can still get you (in NSW). And i have also heard that QLD is heaps easy on mods.

Im just going to cover the Turbo set up as much as possible. Cover hoses, cover turbo with sheet metal box etc. Make it look stock as possible so cop might just give me the once over. Fingers crossed ay

By the way my Turbo set up officaly gets started next weekend when i get my Fuel pump and FPR. Yer! (i decided to skip the coilovers till after the turbo i want boost now damnit )