What A Bathurst!!!!

**Selva** · 10-7-07, 2:17

That was posibly the best ending of a bathurst i have ever seen... bloody unreal!
shame that steven didn't win though, he needs one, he's such a good driver but he has the WORST luck... Good race Lowndes, Courtney and Steven... there is a reason why you were 1, 2 and 3

**jmoore** · 10-7-07, 2:55

omg omg omg it was brilliant

**fetelstarTX5** · 10-7-07, 3:27

WTF was going on with the brakes in the TOLL HSV team cars? Didnt both of them eventually pull out because they had to bleed them every 5 laps.... Got to give it to Kelly, kept running off at the end of conrod due to no brakes, held it together and kept on going. Think I counted he did it 3 or 4 times!!

I'll be the odd one out and say I feel sorry for all the Holdens that didnt finish

Got to hand it to ford though, they kept it together all day.

**Selva** · 10-7-07, 3:42

well the VE has issue with it's brakes on the road going cars, why not on the trtack cars too... hehehe... but yeah, [shizzle] happens....

**chief tool** · 10-8-07, 7:03

Problem is, they decided to force everyone to a standard rotor this year, with less internal vents....I hate this sort of thing as it tends to limit technical innovation....everyone is running the same type of harrop rotor, look like the HRT boys matched it with a pad that conducted too much heat into the calipers....back to the days of carbon brass pads...ugh.

Lowndes did a great job to hold it together in the wet on slicks....I have great respect for anyone who can set good lap times in the rain!

Jim Richards used to be the master of that...

**rodhog** · 10-8-07, 10:44

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Originally Posted by chief tool

Problem is, they decided to force everyone to a standard rotor this year, with less internal vents....I hate this sort of thing as it tends to limit technical innovation....everyone is running the same type of harrop rotor, look like the HRT boys matched it with a pad that conducted too much heat into the calipers....back to the days of carbon brass pads...ugh.

Lowndes did a great job to hold it together in the wet on slicks....I have great respect for anyone who can set good lap times in the rain!

Jim Richards used to be the master of that...

Gentleman Jim still is. Except lets face facts He's getting on in age.

In all honsety - I watched the last 2 hours and actually enjoyed bathurst and Dunnydoor racing.

True about the whole aspect of the brake issue but, It's kind of funny. But racing World wide is no longer a Development area.

Racing was back in 30's 40's 50's 60's 70's 80's - Development areas or motors sport back in the 70's my favourite was Groudn effects and skirts in F1 and Turbo motor into the 80's

80's really developed areo packages all around world and motorsport. Basicly Aviation technology.

We get ot 90's and it's Going hard.

Problem.

HELLO - marketing Rqacing costs and ask anyone who races from Basic go karts to F1 it's all about sponsorship and Marketing.

Now days Motor racing is not a development area it's MArketing one.

Listen to how well the drivers treat the camera pre during and after the race. It's about getting the sponsor to the TV or sports page.

All this has lead to aroudn the world -Sponsors SAYING

IT COSTS TOO MUCH.
So they come in with oh Control tyre- Name motorsport competition that does not use one now. I'm talking big. Rally it's BF Goodrich ( aka michelin)
F1 - Bridgestone- -V8 Supercars it's Dunlop .
Brakes - basicly effectively they are trying ot make the cars like

A1 - all controlled but with different colours and shapes to distinquish them.

It's still racing but it's gone the days of Race on Sunday sell on mondays

it's now Market all day and sell everyday.

Irony - they claimed racing Group A was too expensive - hmm gee V8 supercars that have almost nothing these days other then a basic floor pan and panels to be in common with what the brand sells.

The upside is it will lead to more closer racing but the bad bit is the V8's can't Slip steem - they are too quick and heavy for it on most of Australia's tracks.
Go out and watch the Aussie racing cars the 1/3 size cars and even at eastern creek it's bumper to bumper smash here and there. Great racing

**fredio54** · 10-8-07, 11:23

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Originally Posted by chief tool

Lowndes did a great job to hold it together in the wet on slicks....I have great respect for anyone who can set good lap times in the rain!

i was out in my skyline on the taupo circuit at home one day and it started pouring down, i just kept the pace on and they kept gripping! surprised me somewhat, but what it comes down to even in the wet is maintaining heat in the tyres and if you keep pushing, they stay hot. never experience that on the road before, though i have noticed my tyres warm on cold wet days before. i was braking from 170kph at the end of the straight in heavy rain, yes, it was twitchy and less stable, but the grip was still there!

on the road, usually the tyres arent hot enough to really work in the wet on the road, but with a softer tyre like my R888 and D01J, and a bit of pressure, they are sticky as hell even when wet.

i used the same tyres daily driving for 6 months or so in the summer, and even in the dry if they were cold the sucked to the point of unintentional oversteer. in the wet when cold they were useless. i guess on the track i had them hot as the rain started falling, whereas if you went out wet, you'd have a hard time getting them to the point where they started working.

sorry :-) wee bit OT there.

didnt get to see it here :-(

fred.

**cam22t** · 10-8-07, 16:11

I wish it was back to a production car format. These cars are too close to each other and bare nothing to the real thing.

It was more exciting when it was an open field.

I loved watching Longhurst giving it to them in his little M3 in th late 80's

Lastly, i was nice to see Lowndes go back to back for another win, even if he was in a Ford.

**fredio54** · 10-8-07, 16:52

yeah, variety is the spice of life. ffs they use the same engines in both marques! thats not holden vs ford. not at all.

**Selva** · 10-10-07, 8:25

well i dont know about anyone else, but i find that racing is no less sponsorship then any other sport in the world, anyone seen the brits soccer games????
to me (being a motorsport driver myself) motor racing is JUST a sport, nothing more, nothing less, it's fun to do (and who cant agree with that) and it's great to watch, especially the british tourers (formally TOCA)...