WHOA whens that Karma thing coming back?

 

make it STICKY!

 

evo, I'm guessing the manual trans that came with the FE3 in the Japan cars isn't any stronger than the MTX in our cars and also came without a LSD?
Does the FE3 use hydraulic lifters and are they located in the tip of the rocker arms like the F2?
I would really like to see a close up shot of the FE3 with the valve cover off.

 

evo, I'm guessing the manual trans that came with the FE3 in the Japan cars isn't any stronger than the MTX in our cars and also came without a LSD?
Does the FE3 use hydraulic lifters and are they located in the tip of the rocker arms like the F2?
I would really like to see a close up shot of the FE3 with the valve cover off.

FE3 uses bucket type HLA's same that are used on all Mazda DOHC engines such as B6 DOHC, BP DOHC, FE DOHC, K8 DOHC, KL DOHC, FSDE DOHC, KF DOHC engines. But the FE3 uses the largest out of all of them, so you can't used the others.

It's no such thing as a stronger Mazda tranny, even if it's from Japan, Africa, Russia, Austrailia, or what ever it is... It's no such thing, the only thing maybe if it's LSD or not.

All Mazda trannies are same strength world-wide (WEAK)

 

I guess that when people do a search for FE3 they come up with alot of useless threads telling people to search and when they do ask they get a lot of harsh answers. (sorry to all that have recieve harsh answers from me)
So to make it a little easier to find FE3 info I have made this thread. Feel free to add on to anything I don't cover.

First question:
What is FE3?
Fe3 is a 2.0l 16v DOHC engine that is found in euro and japanese spec mx6, 626, and capplea cars.
1998cc 121.9 cu in. 2.0 liters
86 mm bore 3.39 cu in
86 mm stroke 3.39 cu in
Aluminum head, cast iron block
Dual overhead camshafts, 16 valves
Here is a pic from FE3Ts site.

THis motor cam in a few different trims.
9.2:1 compression on cat models
10.0:1 compression on non cat models
170bhp@ 6000 rpm 10.0:1 models
160ft/lbs@ 4500rpm 10.0:1 models

148bhp@ 6000 rpm 9.2:1 models


140ft/lbs@ 4500 rpm 9.2:1 models
(from JayB's website)

Will it fit my car?
As long as you have a 88-92 MX6,626, or Probe.

Is it a direct fit?
Yes, everything bolts right up.

Can I use the DX/lx tranny with FE3?
Yes, just be carefull with your shifting and if your planning on adding boost you may want to go to the GT tranny

Can I use the F2T or F2 ecu with FE3?
Yes, you can as long as you extend the dissy. You can use the F2 or F2T ecu but it will not running the FE3 as it is intended.
A better option would be to use a standalone ecu or FE3 ecu. OR EITHER A NISSAN CA18DET, OR MITSUBISHI 4G63 ECU AS WELL

Can I use the BP ecu from a protege?
Yes you can as long as you have all the wiring and proper conections.

Whats is VICS?

The intake are also a jewel.
its a variable intake with 2 sets of runners.
1 long set for low rpm torque and 1 short set for high rpm power

(picture from FE3Ts site)

Also you can control the vics operation with a stand alone ecu or an rpm activated switch.

What parts do I use for FE3?
You can use 98 KIA sportage parts, like the water pump, timing belt, head gasket, pistons, etc...
Use F2 oil filter, miata spark plugs or just go to the parts store with the ones that came in the car. As miata sparkplug wires.

What is the performance of the FE3?
The FE3 is just a little faster than the F2T. It revs higher in the rev range but doesn't produce as much tq as F2T. You can expect low 15s runs from a well tuned FE3 and posably 14s if you a good driver.
Also It has been noted that FE3 has a top speed of just over 280kmh or 150mph.

Was there ever a turbo FE3?
Yes, it was used in a rally car in the early 1990s. Only 28 were made. They the engine code is FE3T. They are not avaiable. PART NUMBER WAS NOT EVER CALLED FE3T, IT WAS A FE-T DOHC, AND THESE ENGINES WHERE RACED IN THE 80's NOT 90's. AND HE'S RIGHT NO ONE CAN GET THESE SO DON"T ASK!!!!

Can I turbo FE3?
Yes. Turbo FE3s produce huge amounts for hp. They are capable of over 500hp with a turbo. JayB had his FE3-T runnig 11s 1/4mile times.

Where do I get FE3?
Check with your local Japanese Engine Imports. Or check to see if JAyB has any 407-295-9047. Also there are avaible in Colorado at a place called All Japanese Engines
Ph: 303-234-9528
They should be able to souce one. But make sure its complete.

Here are some more sites and things to read regrading FE3:
FE3Ts site
JayBs site
Randys site
http://www.mx6.com/boardnew/showthread.php?s=&threadid=14179&highlight=fe3
wiring diag
valve keepers

evo vac lines
evos fe3 coming in soon
FE3 vs F2T
FE3 started
kia part numbers

vics controler
FE3 in probe
rev limting problem
FE3???
FE3 thermostat
Fe3 debate
evos thoughts on fe3
cheap turbo for fe3
misconspections about fe3
Hope this helps. Sorry about being so harsh, I didnt relieze how many useless posts on FE3 there really are. Hope this helps. And fell Free to add to this post.
evo

Everything is edit above...

 

Thanks JayB. I figure I would get the FE3T rally engine number off.lol But everything else looks preety good. (I hope)
Now at least there is one good post for people looking for fE3 info. Took me about 2 hours to complete. And I had to shift though 21 pages listing all the different posts on FE3.
evo

 

Well done..
now make it sticky and watch the views go higher and higher.

 

Wish I know how to get it made sticky, seeing as only admins can do that.lol
evo

 

Everytime I see something or hear something about the FE3 I wonder who invented this marvelous magical block... it's such a sweet engine, it's a mirracle inside and out, plus it's a verry beautieful block to look at.... it brings tears in my eyes! LOL :E

I want onenow, will be getting me one next year, and fit it shortly after that (if dutch626 has the time to help me ) then I will mod the crap out of it and hope to have a faster block then jay-b has some day... lol

 

Thanks a lot, I posted something about fe3's like a month ago and got reamed out for it pretty bad, lots of info, and the links... awesome, thanks.

Ps: It's about god damn time...

 

Thanks a lot, I posted something about fe3's like a month ago and got reamed out for it pretty bad, lots of info, and the links... awesome, thanks.

Ps: It's about god damn time...

It's jealousy..... No other way to describe it!!! It's a wonderful engine!!!!

Easy 400whp with 20 psi of boost with no cams, headwork, no nothing...very easy!!!!

 

I wouldnt say jealousy? More than a few times Ive seen posts that ask questions right under another post that asks the same question...most all of the info is conatained in a search and a little bit of time spent reading,the turbo chat site on yahoo groups is very informative as well.Evo just took the time to condense it...but its all there

 

Mods can you put a sticky note on this?
evo

 

nice thread man! lots of info....umm, if youy guys don't mind me asking....does teh fe3 use vaf or maf?

 

It uses maf.
evo

 

thanks evo for responding. the reason i asked is because i found a place that have the fe3 with tranny, ecu and harness but it doens't come with the maf. so now i have to look for a maf. thanks again!!

 

this motor looks almost exactly like my friends protege engine, is it the same?? i think his is like a 95 lx

 

NO,no its not the same. Really not even close. YOur friends motor is a BP. FE3 is an F series. Larger bore, stroke.
evo

 

so I shouldnt take his motor and sell it as that beutiful motor you are talking about. Its a good idea tho.

 

Hopefully no one would be dumb engough to buy it fromyou if you did.lol
evo

 

thanks evo for responding. the reason i asked is because i found a place that have the fe3 with tranny, ecu and harness but it doens't come with the maf. so now i have to look for a maf. thanks again!!

I have a MAF sensor in stock, if you need one.

 

turbo

what all needs to be done to fe3 b4 they can get a turbo. is it pretty much the same: pistons, rods, and all the other typical things

 

Basicly lower compersion and meet the feul needs.
I'm going to run 10:1 comp @7psi running a 5th injector and water/alky injection with a piggy back computer and a 190gph fuel pump. In therory I should be just fine.
evo

 

Re: turbo

what all needs to be done to fe3 b4 they can get a turbo. is it pretty much the same: pistons, rods, and all the other typical things

If under 12 psi nothing really. The rods are fine and the cat model pistons (either 9.4 Mazda or 9.2 Kia) are fine. Only if you get to wild boost numbers do you need to look at pistons.

The only reason I got aftermarket rods is because of the shorter length requirement from the stroker crank. The aftermarket Chevy rods that are conservativly rated at 500 hp were nearly identical in size to the factory FE3 pieces.

Randy

 

Compression ratios:

FE3 non cat models: 10.0:1
FE3 with cat models: 9.2:1

I have shop manuals from Mazda Japan that a friend gave me from MAZDA 86-91 with these specs. It's no 9.4:1.