Awd 626?

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CMJ626

Discussion Starter · Oct 9, 2008

Hey guys,
It's been niggling at me for a while, but how hard would it be to convert the 626 wagoon into AWD? I know that there the wagons come out in AWD oversea's but finding one for a decent price isn't going to be easy, and then there is the issue of parts.
Now I know we got a few TX5 Turbo AWDs, but the only one's I've ever seen are Coupes. Does anyone know if it is possible to put these systems onto the wagons? I noticed that Jesiotrot put TX5 struts in the back, so are these rear ends similar?

I'm just not a fan of FWD, and these cars AWD and Turbo'd would be awesome sleepers!

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H3ff44

· #2 · Oct 10, 2008

never knew the tx5 turbo came as a awd... i know the 626 did but only japanese and euro versions, they were the fe3 motor though not f2.
they only came as auto and where the n/a style box with lsd front and rear. still not a strong setup.
add a turbo and the f2 and bang you've got problems.
i know the awd system came in the gv wagons, but you would have to source parts from jap land.
it wouldnt be a hard conversion you would just have to move the exhaust off to one side as the drive shaft runs down the centre tunnel.
the wagon rear end have larger shocks so they can carry the load better. jesse put the rear shock in to lower it abit more... not sure if he put the tx5 shocks in there so he could run the tx5 springs all round.

interested to see if you go anywhere with this....
you would most likely have to talk to an import place to talk about how to get a awd system.

Turk

· #3 · Oct 10, 2008

Nissan Stagea. There you go

. Easier cheaper faster

.

Redmx_tx5

· #4 · Oct 10, 2008

just go a TX3

or Stagea like turk said.

Stoof01

· #5 · Oct 10, 2008

Mitsubishi Legnum

H3ff44

· #6 · Oct 10, 2008

landcruiser then add turbo!!!!

rodhog

· #7 · Oct 11, 2008

First off as said Above

Or STEAGA - or have the $25,000 first up plus the extra to get it right oh and live with say only a FE3 if you want it reliable.
and forget TX-3 unless it's mild

telstar AWD -626 AWD all 4WD capella

ran same setup.

the 4WD box is same as TX-3 or familia just slighlty different case and internals

How hard is it. How hard is it to porr a slab of concreate.

It depends on how you go about it.

Issues one needs to take into account.

Legality - to makei t legal and easily engineered, you need to do minmal chassi changes

Steering rack needs to be moved. 4Wd version sit 40mm higher.

Rear end wise nothing is majory different except in terms of the cradle

but the obsitcale is the fuel tank - 4WS is totally different - and getting a 4WD tank reuires different fuel pump set up and lines are run differently.

If one was to send the money

you would use a EVoloutiuon 4G63 engine and gearbox - 6 speed nice.
Then you would require enigne mounts to mount the engine and box 30mm closer to the dirvers chassis rail. to line up the centre diff. this is estimate but a bit off massage required etc.

you need a capella wagon or other 4Wd version rear housing - craddle
tailshaft etc easily made.

It's not hard to do at all

Just totally pointless.

Besides 4WD is for people who can't drive with the wheels spinning.

I'd do only a RWD conversion myself lock up a 4WD box in RWD and enjoy the real fun.

Please note to MX-6 owners you can't actually do it to a mx-6 because there are a couple of differences in the chassis. Plus the wagon and hatch share same 4WD craddle - sedan seperate seadan and hatch same tailshaft setup - wagon different

The wagon conversion is the easiest because some are still on japanese roads. But finding a 4WD manual 5speed is getting harder NOT CHEAP EITHER box alone imported is $3000 range last check box was $1800 then Aus dollar was was 90 cents.

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TXATEU

· #8 · Oct 12, 2008

CMJ626 if your smart and like the tx5 engine then buy a Kia sportage and just slap the F2T engine in, and I'll happily dispose of the stock sportage engine free of charge

H3ff44

· #9 · Oct 12, 2008

sportage motor doesnt bolt up apparently as it has a different crank in the motor. so it will no long bolt to mazda gearboxes unless you change the crank over.

cam22t

· #10 · Oct 12, 2008

H3ff44 said:
sportage motor doesnt bolt up apparently as it has a different crank in the motor. so it will no long bolt to mazda gearboxes unless you change the crank over.

You just use a non turbo flywheel and clutch on the F2T, then it will work on the Kia gearbox

TXATEU

· #11 · Oct 12, 2008

there u go, problem solved

CMJ626

Discussion Starter · #12 · Oct 12, 2008 (Edited)

Yeah but that's not very unique, I'd be better of starting off with a dozen other cars, I was just wondering out loud. I'd love to do it and this would be many years down the track, but something to work on would keep me occupied. And at the end of the day I'm not going to make money on the wagon and I'm not keen on the idea of FWD turbo, RWD would be the goal, but to get RWD you have to go through AWD to start with.

Just a thought experiment for now, but I'll keep an ear out. Thanks for the info Rodhog, great stuff there. At least now I know its possible.

Just like doing something a bit differently. If a cortina wagon pops up cheap though between now and then the Mazda will probably go, its easier to throw a 351 in a Corty.

CMJ626

Discussion Starter · #13 · Oct 12, 2008

Just had a thought, what about B series Utes/ Courier utes? RWD or 4WD sub frames? With it be possible to run this? Or are the utes full Chasis?

H3ff44

· #14 · Oct 13, 2008

TXATEU said:
there u go, problem solved

ah ha gotta love this forum. everything gets answered.

jesiotrot

· #15 · Oct 13, 2008

CMJ626 said:
Just had a thought, what about B series Utes/ Courier utes? RWD or 4WD sub frames? With it be possible to run this? Or are the utes full Chasis?

http://www.mx6.com/forums/fe-dohc/182355-freds-fe3-into-ute-swap-dont-post-here.html

I hope you have broadband.

H3ff44

· #16 · Oct 13, 2008

well the b2200 were a 4x4 anyway.. but would use a different sub frame since its rwd format.

rodhog

· #17 · Oct 13, 2008

CMJ626 said:
Yeah but that's not very unique, I'd be better of starting off with a dozen other cars, I was just wondering out loud. I'd love to do it and this would be many years down the track, but something to work on would keep me occupied. And at the end of the day I'm not going to make money on the wagon and I'm not keen on the idea of FWD turbo, RWD would be the goal, but to get RWD you have to go through AWD to start with.

Just a thought experiment for now, but I'll keep an ear out. Thanks for the info Rodhog, great stuff there. At least now I know its possible.

Just like doing something a bit differently. If a cortina wagon pops up cheap though between now and then the Mazda will probably go, its easier to throw a 351 in a Corty.

Well it will be dream. Right now is the end of the internal combustion engine.
it's got about 10 years to go.
even I'm thinking of dropping a car out of my family. it's not worth it. Stock market is killing me and cost of living is still not levelling out. Irony is I've been expecting a drop in work but lucky the mining industry has been holding up. But it's can't hold up the consumer.

but the cortina idea is alot better but i'd personally use a new BA DOHC 250 and turbo. but tha'ts just me.

CMJ626

Discussion Starter · #18 · Oct 13, 2008

I'm a V8 man myself and I wont be giving up my beloved petrol easily! while the turbo is great for easy power its got too much electrics for my liking. To run the BA motor you need the ECU, full looms and the Centre console! At the moment I don't think there is a way to run them without the ICC.

Don't know if we're thinking of the same BA DOHC though? (I got really spun out when I found out the 323 model designation was BA)
I already have 1 BA I6, and if it plays its cards right it'll end up Turbo LPG one day.

Thanks for the link Jesiotrot, I had a quick squiz but my eyes are falling out of my head at the moment so I'll take a better look tomorrow.

rodhog

· #19 · Oct 14, 2008

All you need to run a the 4.0L BA and BF version is a ECU - you ditch the black oak ecu or you get the full system and hack/flash it.
it's actually still a very simple engine.

You can run them with out the other stuff you just have to know what your doing.
it's why so many Au's have body control module problems because alot of people don't know how to install the steroe correct or even make repairs.

I've seen too many V8's . I'm over them still like them ot a point but over it. I see heaps big money spent and the best is a 11second pas - after all the Cam work head work stroke work.
Show them a fully street driven out the back through a 3inch quite exhaust - full A/C P/S - R31 skyline Run a 10 flat. It can drive by a defeact station and not get pulled over. Where as all them Tough EX- Taxi's have bonnet scoops - leaf sprung rear ends and all the other bits.

Nah it's a bit silly these days.

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