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Actually an F8 would be more comparable to the Honda F-blocks (yes, ironically Honda and Mazda both had F blocks which were the same class of block for each of them)

F8-DE would be comparable to F18A
FE-DE would be comparable to F20A
F2 to the F22 etc
Honda did the exact same thing with those engines by "cutting down" the stroke.

D16 is comparable to Mazda ZL or ZY or whatever
 
the d16a1 is also known as the dohc ZC jdm motor. they can do about 300 hp. but thats there limit. the rod's are obviousely the weak point.

the d16a1 is definitely the unloved d series. most die hard honda guys will argue its existance. being that most are dumb, and have no idea there was ever a dohc d series.

i used to own a 89 integra with a d16a1, and have built a d16a1 swapped civic hatch, and also have done a few D series hybrids using parts of the d16a1. i like the motors alot, but all in all, its still a honda
 
Honda Civic 1989 (used, imported, new): pics, specs, performance

hmmmmmmmmmmmm

i'm wondering about the accuracy of that, i've seen D series engines all close and personal, and zc engines. the zc is a nice little engine.

zc :

d16 :


this may be a popular misconception because the d16 image is called zc.jpg
i'm no honda expert either, but...

the spark holes on the WIDE zc head go down the middle and appears to be a proper dohc engine, whereas the d16a seems to be a sohc rocker based 16v with the spark holes offset and on an angle.

correct me if i'm wrong, and i may be, but give good reasoning and links :)

fred.
 
by you just saying d16, there's both sing and dual ohc's of d16's.

the d16a1 spicifically is a dohc 1.6 liter. the dohc zc is the same motor as a d16a1 with more aggressive cam's, higher compression pistons, and a slightly different intake manifold.

for reference, look at any engine bay over on 1gteg.org ;) (1st gen integra spicific forum)
 
Discussion starter · #27 ·
OK enough about the honda engine the point of the comparrison was to show the durability of mazda rods not discuss the gieneoligy of honda engines, drop it. Whewww I feel better know.
 
fe3t b2200 said:
the mazda b6t exhaust manifold is often used on handa engines to yuro them only need to file two holes i believe on the d16 i think or maybe zc not sure
Same as on the F2. A lot of the Honda/Acura/Civic/Integra "equal length" manifolds are a near perfect match for the F2 or FE head if you just cut the head flange off and reweld the head flange of your choice. 4G63 fits the F2 as well.
 
thats definitely not a bad idea

ive been thinking about goin w a honda or mitsu manifold for my fe3 build. when there are good ones priced at only like 80 bucks shipped, its not that much to lose
 
Discussion starter · #34 ·
hell for the price just get the intake gasket and compare it before buying the entire intake. mabe just a slight modification of mounting holes.:shrug:
 
Discussion starter · #35 · (Edited)
Well i assembeled my engine tonight and mated the head and block after their one year sepperation. The intake , w/p , exhauste manifold and the rear main seal still have to come back off next weekend. Thins was just a test fit and pre assembly to make sure i still had every thing.

(the bare bueatiful MONSTER)

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(All the ARP hardware)

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(Head studs mounted)

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(Test fit with OEM FE-DOHC Headgasket)

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Then applied a generous layer of Permatx Super 300 to both sides and torqued the head to 90 ft-lbs. but in my own way first all to 50 ft-lbs then 75 ft-lbs then finally to 90. I was never so nervious in my life, i was waiting for "PLINK" and i would have gone off the deep end and done some verry bad things. but it worked out just fine.

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By lundgren420000 at 2007-11-24
 
why do you have an f8 manifold on there? did it used to be an f8? i forget.

if it was, do you have new cams? cause those f8 ones... not good.

are the ARP parts the ones listed in dj diokheads sticky guide?

looking good with the new pistons :)
 
Discussion starter · #37 ·
ya ARP from the ultimate build guide. and as for the cams in-feap ex-fe3n. Ya tis was once a f8, but now it only shares the same intake.
The low-down
Ported and polished head, 3 angle valve job, intake collets for the exhauste valves, new (used) intake FEAP cam, new f2t micro-polished crank, new ballanced and cryoed (fe-8 valve) 626 rods, new mains, new rod bearings, bored to 86.5mm, fresh rough hone for crome molly rings, diamond 8:5:1 forged turbo pistons, forged wrist pins, also fresh bb 46 trim garrett nissan turbo, 44mm synapse engineering w/g, synapse engineering bov/bpv (can be used as either one) and last but not least MEGASQUIRT-1 v3. :tup: :tup:
 
Discussion starter · #39 ·
no i cant afford another right now, still better than the f8k1 cam. and the turbo is off a 1991 nissan skyline r32 gts-t type m. If you cane come up with some good specs on it i would greatly appriciate it. I do know however that it uses a ceramic exhauste wheel that doesn't like to be over heated meaning it breaks apart , this limits them to 14psi or lower.

Later i would like to pick up a Holset HE351 for my project but dont know if it will fit.
 
now thats what we like to see!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!! give that man a ciger and a beer :)
man i like it, i like it a lot.
but indeed.. ditch the cams and inlet manifold.
if u need oem FE3 stuff let me know.
i got some spare engines here and there which i use for measuring only .. even have an alloy sump if u like.
anyway good work done there.
keep us "pictured" posted :)
 
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