[mezeeb8t]

Hi guys...
I have F8 in GC and I plan to swap the engine with FE 2.0. Is't possible to use 2.0 engine with 1.8 wiring, intake mani, exzos mani, afm and ECU?
What i have to change with the 1.8 system if want to run with 2.0 engine? Is't plug n play? How to diffrenciate the FE 140hp and 168hp, any engine code or by valve cover's colour? I heard someone turboed the F8/FE by using F2T ems..is it possible to use others turbo wiring system i.e BPT from 323? my future planning is to turbo the FE engine after completed swapping the engine. sorry for lots of question..just too exciting to get info in this mx6 forum...thanks in advace.

Tarmezee.
Malaysia.
-previously using BPT in GC-

 

[fredio54]

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do not mess around with stock ecus...

bpt setup could be used if you feel you must, but no others are close.

f8 doch and fe dohc stroked f8 dohc have similar potential with no rod swapping. get one of the first two and boost it and be happy. read a LOT on this forum, and the two links i posted above.

fred.

 

[fe3t b2200]

mitsi evo wiring and ecu can be used just fit mitsi injectors (direct swap) omit the idle control valve. and the mazda cas plugs into the mitsi loom just swap the optical disk in the dizzy for either a mx5 disk or a mitsi vr4 and run the evo wasted spark. cant use optical disk out of evo dissy cos they not optical but halleffect sensor. use mitsi evo afm and it all works easy peasy the bull shit the idiot above stated as fact that no other is close simply isnt true, but his lack of experience would explain that as you cant learn everything simply by reading the internet

 

[fredio54]

get a life loser

for reference as the king of edited posts likes to change his tune.

mitsi evo wiring and ecu can be used just fit mitsi injectors (direct swap) omit the idle control valve. and the mazda cas plugs into the mitsi loom just swap the optical disk in the dizzy for either a mx5 disk or a mitsi vr4 and run the evo wasted spark. cant use optical disk out of evo dissy cos they not optical but halleffect sensor. use mitsi evo afm and it all works easy peasy the bull [shizzle] the idiot above stated as fact that no other is close simply isnt true, but his lack of experience would explain that as you cant learn everything simply by reading the internet

you're a wanker fraud. more unprovoked attacking. any oem ecu for a boosted application is a WASTE OF TIME. period.

yes you could retrofit an entire mitsi setup, but in the same time i could have fitted a ms and and started tuning to a better state than any oem ecu could ever get you...

 

[fe3t b2200]

i could install a mitsi ecu in under a hour! you would still be building your ms and myfe3 ute with evo3 ecu had perfect afrs

 

[fredio54]

my ms would come prebuilt with a loom if i so chose... post your datalogs...

 

[NSXR]

Hi guys...
I have F8 in GC and I plan to swap the engine with FE 2.0. Is't possible to use 2.0 engine with 1.8 wiring, intake mani, exzos mani, afm and ECU?
What i have to change with the 1.8 system if want to run with 2.0 engine? Is't plug n play? How to diffrenciate the FE 140hp and 168hp, any engine code or by valve cover's colour? I heard someone turboed the F8/FE by using F2T ems..is it possible to use others turbo wiring system i.e BPT from 323? my future planning is to turbo the FE engine after completed swapping the engine. sorry for lots of question..just too exciting to get info in this mx6 forum...thanks in advace.

Tarmezee.
Malaysia.
-previously using BPT in GC-

I was running the F8-DOHC Turbo with the F2T ECU.
Not Plug and Play as you need to modify the distributor shaft for example.
In my case, this was the easiest option and it worked great.

Regarding the use of the BPT Engine Management System, I think it would be a good idea too because it is somehow similar to the F2T EMS (VAF etc ...)

My advice for a stable working engine:
F8-DOHC or FE-DOHC engine
+
F2T EMS

Then you can always upgrade in case u want something more elaborated

FE-DOCH Engine are available in 140PS and 150PS forms (9.2:1 and 10:1)
There was a variant at 165PS but it is only available in certain models and woudl be hard to get. If you plan on turboing it it doesn't matter anyway.
For a turbo application , prefer the 9.2:1 CR engine (Should have an oxygen sensor if I recall correctly)

Peace
NSXR

 

[fredio54]

nsxr, did you have a wideband on that setup? the fueling should be pretty good, as its air meter driven, but the ign table will be way off for the dohc head.

still, not as bad as an na ign map which a few people on here unwisely use with their turbo setups.

fred.

 

[mezeeb8t]

I was running the F8-DOHC Turbo with the F2T ECU.
Not Plug and Play as you need to modify the distributor shaft for example.
In my case, this was the easiest option and it worked great.

Regarding the use of the BPT Engine Management System, I think it would be a good idea too because it is somehow similar to the F2T EMS (VAF etc ...)

My advice for a stable working engine:
F8-DOHC or FE-DOHC engine
+
F2T EMS

Then you can always upgrade in case u want something more elaborated

FE-DOCH Engine are available in 140PS and 150PS forms (9.2:1 and 10:1)
There was a variant at 165PS but it is only available in certain models and woudl be hard to get. If you plan on turboing it it doesn't matter anyway.
For a turbo application , prefer the 9.2:1 CR engine (Should have an oxygen sensor if I recall correctly)

Peace
NSXR

guys..thank for the feedback...the reason I mentioned using BPT ems is because I have all the things and here it is really hard to find F2T things..

 

[mezeeb8t]

the real story...

The story is like this...previously I using BPT setup in my car but last 6 months I involved in accident and all consider total lost including the car..luckily I'm save (always remember to use seat belt when speeding)..BPT's engine is gone but only left behind are the wiring, turbo, ecu and others. Then I bought another car (also GC Ford Telstar) that already fitted with F8. Found this MX6 forum and curious what can I do to upgrade the F8 engine without changing the engine mounting (it is violate state laws to change engine mounting). I've upgrade some on my BPT by using Subaru IHI VF10 turbo, mitsu VR4 450cc injector, 1jz supra FMIC, stainless steel piping for FMIC, SARD EGT and APEXI SAFC to control the AFR. Once dynoed and got 206.5whp at 0.84bar (arround 12psi if not mistake) with the standard BPT clutch set. Stand alone ems (microtech) here is to expensive to buy and wonder if I can use back all the BPT setup in new F8 @ FE engine without using much of $$$$. Yes, I will read lots in this forum to get more info on this. Any opinion and suggestion appreciate it lots. thanks.

 

[chief tool]

Hi guys...
I have F8 in GC and I plan to swap the engine with FE 2.0. Is't possible to use 2.0 engine with 1.8 wiring, intake mani, exzos mani, afm and ECU?
What i have to change with the 1.8 system if want to run with 2.0 engine? Is't plug n play? How to diffrenciate the FE 140hp and 168hp, any engine code or by valve cover's colour? I heard someone turboed the F8/FE by using F2T ems..is it possible to use others turbo wiring system i.e BPT from 323? my future planning is to turbo the FE engine after completed swapping the engine. sorry for lots of question..just too exciting to get info in this mx6 forum...thanks in advace.

Tarmezee.
Malaysia.
-previously using BPT in GC-

is it an F8 SOHC or DOHC that you have in there ?

 

[mezeeb8t]

is it an F8 SOHC or DOHC that you have in there ?

F8 DOHC with FE3's head but not gold colour...intake manifold stated 1.8 injection same as NSXR in his F8 turboed thread..

 

[mezeeb8t]

how to attach pic in this thread?

 

[mezeeb8t]

pics of my car...
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[chief tool]

Not bad.....I didnt want to register to look at the photos tho....I could tell much from the thumbnails.
I used to host my photos at a similar site, but after being on here became a convert to photobucket...its ideal for forums

 

[fredio54]

I used to host my photos at a similar site, but after being on here became a convert to photobucket...its ideal for forums

+1, yes it is, and its getting better too.

 

[NSXR]

nsxr, did you have a wideband on that setup? the fueling should be pretty good, as its air meter driven, but the ign table will be way off for the dohc head.

still, not as bad as an na ign map which a few people on here unwisely use with their turbo setups.

fred.

No wideband no ...

But I can say that the Dyno I did with the F8-DOHC Turbo gave exactly the same AFR as the F2T Engine. Good enough for me.

Also F2T Head flows less but is for 2.2L.
FE-DOHC Head flows more but is 2L

Therefore what you say about the fuel maps being off is in some way right.
But ... The decrease in displacamant is lisghtly correcting for that.

This is not perfect science as there is always the chaotic aspect of engine thermodinamics involved.

This is why I never try tu use the latest (Coolest?) FMU for my project.
I just stick to what works good.

Also I never have big HP visions anyway and my technical restrictions are therefore less important.

Peace
NSXR

 

[fredio54]

the afrs being right is predictable really as the afm measures the air going in and adds fuel to match. it doesnt care what size the engine is, all it cares about is the volume of air, and how much fuel it has to put in to match.

as for spark, the f2t spark is probably on the too advanced side of go. reason being, the 12v chamber is slower burn, and thus needs more advance to obtain pcp at the correct angle. so long as you had the knock control box and sensor hooked up, even that wouldnt matter too much so long as boost was on the low side.

how much boost were you pushing?

fred.

 

[NSXR]

Yeah reread your post ... I was under the impressiosn you were talkin bout fuel maps first ...

I was boosting 7-9 PSI. So pretty much stock F2T Boost.

Like I said HP goals were modest and I mainly built the F8-DOCH Turbo as an Exercise.

I am glad it worked out and we can at least say that the thing works.
Every body is free to upgrade after that.

What was cool also is I could always toubleshoot the engine like I would do with a F2T.

Peace
NSXR

 

[fredio54]

yep, pretty cool. how did you get around the low rpm cut?

chipped?