Hi guys...
I have F8 in GC and I plan to swap the engine with FE 2.0. Is't possible to use 2.0 engine with 1.8 wiring, intake mani, exzos mani, afm and ECU?
What i have to change with the 1.8 system if want to run with 2.0 engine? Is't plug n play? How to diffrenciate the FE 140hp and 168hp, any engine code or by valve cover's colour? I heard someone turboed the F8/FE by using F2T ems..is it possible to use others turbo wiring system i.e BPT from 323? my future planning is to turbo the FE engine after completed swapping the engine. sorry for lots of question..just too exciting to get info in this mx6 forum...thanks in advace.
bpt setup could be used if you feel you must, but no others are close.
f8 doch and fe dohc stroked f8 dohc have similar potential with no rod swapping. get one of the first two and boost it and be happy. read a LOT on this forum, and the two links i posted above.
mitsi evo wiring and ecu can be used just fit mitsi injectors (direct swap) omit the idle control valve. and the mazda cas plugs into the mitsi loom just swap the optical disk in the dizzy for either a mx5 disk or a mitsi vr4 and run the evo wasted spark. cant use optical disk out of evo dissy cos they not optical but halleffect sensor. use mitsi evo afm and it all works easy peasy the bull shit the idiot above stated as fact that no other is close simply isnt true, but his lack of experience would explain that as you cant learn everything simply by reading the internet
mitsi evo wiring and ecu can be used just fit mitsi injectors (direct swap) omit the idle control valve. and the mazda cas plugs into the mitsi loom just swap the optical disk in the dizzy for either a mx5 disk or a mitsi vr4 and run the evo wasted spark. cant use optical disk out of evo dissy cos they not optical but halleffect sensor. use mitsi evo afm and it all works easy peasy the bull [shizzle] the idiot above stated as fact that no other is close simply isnt true, but his lack of experience would explain that as you cant learn everything simply by reading the internet
you're a wanker fraud. more unprovoked attacking. any oem ecu for a boosted application is a WASTE OF TIME. period.
yes you could retrofit an entire mitsi setup, but in the same time i could have fitted a ms and and started tuning to a better state than any oem ecu could ever get you...
I was running the F8-DOHC Turbo with the F2T ECU.
Not Plug and Play as you need to modify the distributor shaft for example.
In my case, this was the easiest option and it worked great.
Regarding the use of the BPT Engine Management System, I think it would be a good idea too because it is somehow similar to the F2T EMS (VAF etc ...)
My advice for a stable working engine:
F8-DOHC or FE-DOHC engine
+
F2T EMS
Then you can always upgrade in case u want something more elaborated
FE-DOCH Engine are available in 140PS and 150PS forms (9.2:1 and 10:1)
There was a variant at 165PS but it is only available in certain models and woudl be hard to get. If you plan on turboing it it doesn't matter anyway.
For a turbo application , prefer the 9.2:1 CR engine (Should have an oxygen sensor if I recall correctly)
nsxr, did you have a wideband on that setup? the fueling should be pretty good, as its air meter driven, but the ign table will be way off for the dohc head.
still, not as bad as an na ign map which a few people on here unwisely use with their turbo setups.
nsxr, did you have a wideband on that setup? the fueling should be pretty good, as its air meter driven, but the ign table will be way off for the dohc head.
still, not as bad as an na ign map which a few people on here unwisely use with their turbo setups.
The story is like this...previously I using BPT setup in my car but last 6 months I involved in accident and all consider total lost including the car..luckily I'm save (always remember to use seat belt when speeding)..BPT's engine is gone but only left behind are the wiring, turbo, ecu and others. Then I bought another car (also GC Ford Telstar) that already fitted with F8. Found this MX6 forum and curious what can I do to upgrade the F8 engine without changing the engine mounting (it is violate state laws to change engine mounting). I've upgrade some on my BPT by using Subaru IHI VF10 turbo, mitsu VR4 450cc injector, 1jz supra FMIC, stainless steel piping for FMIC, SARD EGT and APEXI SAFC to control the AFR. Once dynoed and got 206.5whp at 0.84bar (arround 12psi if not mistake) with the standard BPT clutch set. Stand alone ems (microtech) here is to expensive to buy and wonder if I can use back all the BPT setup in new F8 @ FE engine without using much of $$$$. Yes, I will read lots in this forum to get more info on this. Any opinion and suggestion appreciate it lots. thanks.
Not bad.....I didnt want to register to look at the photos tho....I could tell much from the thumbnails.
I used to host my photos at a similar site, but after being on here became a convert to photobucket...its ideal for forums
the afrs being right is predictable really as the afm measures the air going in and adds fuel to match. it doesnt care what size the engine is, all it cares about is the volume of air, and how much fuel it has to put in to match.
as for spark, the f2t spark is probably on the too advanced side of go. reason being, the 12v chamber is slower burn, and thus needs more advance to obtain pcp at the correct angle. so long as you had the knock control box and sensor hooked up, even that wouldnt matter too much so long as boost was on the low side.
Hi NSXR, theoritically....
can I swap FE block with BP block as you did on your project? by using back all BP sensors and wiring and ecu? sorry to say..I never seen any F2T in Malaysia...what cost you for that F2T ecu and wiring over there? USD?
I don't see any problem using the BPT ECU with an FE-DOHC.
You just have to make sure that the ECU thinks it is a BPT it is controlling.
Every BPT sensors, injectors ... must be adapted to be a perfect fit on the FE-DOHC. One difficulty I se would be the distributor as I have never really seen a BPT distributor (On the F2T to FE-DOHC swap this was the part I had to modify by extending the shaft). I wish I would have documented the swap more carefuly.
Any way if you choose to go this route and need support, let me know. I can give you some support.
Regarding the F2T ECU, it would cost you a lot to get everything since you would then need the ECU, the wiring, the sensors, the VAF, the distributor ...
If you are lucky and somebody is parting a GT you could have all these parts together for a good price (Provided the seller is a true sixer and would rather help than charge you with big money)
Also, depending on your budget, I could always get you all the stuff from a Probe GT here in Germany.
hi NSXR..thank a lot man...
that what I want to hear...since I have all the BPT stuff ..I will try for it first....I'll update after I start my project...my first step is to get FE engine first...change to 2.0 engine..I will seek your help if needed...this is what FORUM all about...thanks..
I've wonder..did anyone in this forum try to double/triple the head gasket to get the low CR instead of changing the piston? Lot of mechanics here doing that way to tubocharge the VTEC...
by less than one tooth, i assume you mean greater than half a tooth? if so, thats actually quite a lot and will affect the running of the engine, in our case, probably shifting the power band upwards iirc. it could affect low end performance/emissions though. not that anyone realllly cares about that on their performance modified car.
double head gasket brings the power band down lower in the rpm as it advances the cam timing. double gaskets is not a good idea but i calculated once on a fe dohc at stock 10:1 with 2 gaskets comes down to about 8.2:1 not that ive ever done a double up or recommend it! and if using bpt stuff on a fe dohc try to sorce gtr mazda ecu and injectors and afm rather than gtx as gtx injectors are only 360cc and gtr are 440cc and has a slightly bigger afm, the bpt dizzy will fit straight in but you dont need to change it you can use a stock fe dohc dizzy as it is of the same type and has the same trigger disk some even have the same plug if it doesnt have the same plug it will still work just need to change the plug the wiring is still the same
thannks for the comment..
my BPT previously already upgraded and already changed the injector to mitsu's VR4..I use Apexi super air flow controller to adjust the afr reading...fuel pump also upgraded to bosch from merc..but donno what model or part#...
shaving the block or the head retards the cams moving the power band up the rev range.
you may want to look at using a bigger afm possibly rx7 or similar to deal with the extra airflow little bp one is no good if its topped out electricaly
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