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Anybody else scared? I know I shat myself. Has an Australian prime Minister every had to such an address on television that wasnt during major war time(ww2 etc)? The end of the world is coming for sure. I suggest stocking up on canned food and ammo and panicking :).

Personally (And semi-seriously) though I see a bright future where the shackles of imperialism are cast off and we can stop living with the weight of others on our shoulders.

In case you missed, we are also going to get heaps of free shit :jump:
Prime Minister of Australia - Speech - Prime Minister's Address to the Nation
 

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He blew a 10 year Liberal surplus in less than 12 months and is now looking at ways to restore a 115billion dollar deficit in generated taxes. I don't trust the twerp.

All this extra money he is injecting into the country (god knows where it is coming from) will help a tad, but will not help the rest of the world and inturn we will be back to square one again.
 

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Liberal surplus, and yet cost of living went through the roof while wages rose by jack shit.

Rudd is doing what every other world leader is doing at the moment. Howard would of done the same. The money comes from Government bonds ie it doesnt really exist. This is not a new principle, we have been doing it for 400-500 years. It does suck, but our system is built on it.

The Liberals did not have to go through a global meltdown tipped over (not caused) the edge by right wing ideals in the U.S

Either way I just wanted to mention not so much on what he said or what he is doing, but that the fact he was on tv last night shows how bad the situation really is. The begining of the end, I wouldnt be suprised. Definately history in the making to use the cliche.

Got sent this article by someone from S.A (Socialist Alternative).

Rudd races off the Marx to jump hurdles of capitalism - Peter Hartcher - Opinion

Quite funny seeing as the author is prasing Rudd's work and downplaying Capitalism's failure, but yer just showing dmwill that what he is doing is SOP.
 

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Please, dont start the liberal / labour bullshit.

Libs had a surplus to slow the econ so inflation didnt shit itself

Now, labour is doing the same thing as EVERY world economy, trying to boost spending to bring the economy up

Budget is still in surplus, nothing wrong with it running in deficit

And before anyone starts the libs are better etc etc etc

They would be doing exactually the same thing right now if they had any sence...
 

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I agree that they will be doing the same thing, I cant say it is good or not.

I think the bailout thing will shit itself, worldwide. Things are going to get much worse quite rapidly.
 

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All this extra money he is injecting into the country (god knows where it is coming from)
IOU's from the world bank, same place everyone else is getting it....

its the equivalent of printing money (almost) after all how long is it going to take the US to pay back their 1.7 trillion, maybe 20,000 years...
 

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personally i dont know much about politics but i can imagine people getting $950 will be banking it over spending it.

i know most are thinking "is my job safe? do i have enough saved if i loose my job and things get tough?" (lets face it most people dont have anything saved for a rainy day)

while a LOT more difficult they should have implemented a spending discount scheme where you collect receipts for anything purchased within Australia, then get them refunded to the value of $950. i understand this is a HUGE amount more work for them to calculate and such but at least the money is SPENT in Australia and not saved or sent overseas.

im a tight arse so ill be banking it till ive saved enough for home landscaping.
 

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all I can say with the current situation is that if the next stimulus package gets blocked in parliament I'm going to be pissed. I didn't get any of the last one but being a student I think I'm getting the new one.... and $950 will nearly double my total funds at the moment.....
 

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they dont know even if it will get through. Best way, wait for 950 to appear in your account in a months time, if its there its there, if not, your most prob in the same boat i am (student for last finantial, but due to vac work most prob over student threshold
), but see how it pans out *shrug*
 

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You lucky Son-of 8ITCHS
I never get them.

I don't see the point - everyone is going down either way.
If your scared it's too late.

But you can thank alot of it too the AMERICANS ( yes I know who runs this site)

but Thank them for voting in a corrupt little puppet.

Now we have probelm again with Iran - and others. ETc.

But it was so simple to fix.

You just remove how these Terrorist get funded.

Remember we were so Scared of the COMMYs ( not holdens) Communists.

We just made them UN -ECONOMICALLY VIABLE.

Oh so is it hard to do to a bunch of A-holes who sell oil ?

hmm - how about remove the oil.

like Put money into A Hydrogen Economey make it cost the same as petrol.
Then the when the oil runs out- THEY RUN OUT.

If you force everyone to go green and you have the technology and sell it. Your Rich. Your enemys are POOR.

But it's A BIT HARD when you have shares in Oil companys.

American Government will always be poor because of there so called rights and freedoms in there constitution.

It's okay to be part of the white house and be linked to major oil companys.

We ain't not much better here. Our own opposition leader is Crook. GO ONE TEL.
Make a Company - fudge the books legally - some idiot buys it the public through Telstra and he gets lots of money Lives with his Rich Eastern suburb mates in Sydney. But what about the other people.

Go Capitalism at it's best.

And we think terroists are wrong ?
 

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Remember we were so Scared of the COMMYs ( not holdens) Communists.
haha rod u funnykarnt

You just remove how these Terrorist get funded.
it isnt even so much the oil. something like 90% of the world's heroin comes from the poppy fields in afghanistan near the border with pakistan, thats where al-qaeda etc get most of their funding.. blow that valley to shit and theyve got no funds. it really is that easy.

but im def all for making aus oil-independent (or at least less dependent). id prefer my car to be all-electric (when they actually make decent ones that arent in the hundreds of thousands $$) and for that electricity to be acquired through solar/wind/etc/etc.
 

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Yes the drug Issue is a Issue but, They still need lagitamite ways of sending it and proccessing it.

If a country has no major export - and it's illigal export how does it get out ?

Besides majority of Herion for us still comes for Asia regardless of what they say - same goes for all other drugs. Majority come from Asia, and when you consider even the local produced stuff can't compete on price to the import stuff it's why Kilo's and Kilo's of the stuff is always found.
I know many say it's not as good as your local meth lab makes but it's like why our own Grass has lead to more Skizophrenic cases linked to it -especially the Hydro created gear.

Drugs are drugs and yes some of them places like you said.

but in termso f real world issues IRAN, IRAQ, SERIA and NORTH KOREA. all with so caleld Nuclear Weapons - Which IN alot of cases are just for Rattling the SABAR. Oh and Pakistan.

But even so these place can be silly enough to vote in If they do have real voting a real Dill who will use them.

Then you have REAL PROBLEM. But Allowing them to have the fund in first place because your society is so dependant on there Crap is Just a bad idea.

In a way OIL - is AMERICA's Legal Cokane or Herion or Grass.

OIL for us is like SPORT - We can't live or do without it either.

Think of what would happen if the barrell went up or doubled right now.
Our local Rail networks for major Frieght is so dependant on Oil - from that alone cost of living would double if no tripplle.

just think steaks no longer $20 for nice large 4 pack of prime rump now $50- $60.

No longer cheap iar fare to interstae- driving expenssive - air out of the way but rail and bus is now the cheapest at What would be double the cost of current air fare. And then you have the fact our local interstate passenger rail systems - under funned - out of date - barely living
(expect local QLD - QLD rails is good there labour governments have put millions and millions and never sold out ot Howard)
Only decent Rail network is in QLD.
 

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haha rod u funnykarnt



it isnt even so much the oil. something like 90% of the world's heroin comes from the poppy fields in afghanistan near the border with pakistan, thats where al-qaeda etc get most of their funding.. blow that valley to [shizzle] and theyve got no funds. it really is that easy.

but im def all for making aus oil-independent (or at least less dependent). id prefer my car to be all-electric (when they actually make decent ones that arent in the hundreds of thousands $$) and for that electricity to be acquired through solar/wind/etc/etc.
Sorry mate, by Al Qaeda, you're not including the Taliban are you? Because according to the UN, the majority (like about 90-95%) of opium fields were destroyed under the rule of the Taliban. Definitely there are Afghan warlords who fund themselves off the crap... but look at how much it's grown since the ousting of the Taliban from government. They dealt with the opium issue with an iron fist... probably two of them!

The method was:
"You either grow something other than these opium plants on this land by next year (or whenever was enough time to grow a different crop)... or we bury you in this land."
Sounds harsh, but it worked. No slap on the wrists there. They offered them an Islamically acceptable alternative (growing other types of crops such as wheat/rice or whatever it is that they can grow there) to the Islamically forbidden practice of aiding in the selling of impermissible things such as heroin. They also offered them an Islamic punishment for people who sell heroin. Death.

Reminds me of the video on YouTube...
 

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haha i love that vid.
ur definitely right i didnt mean the taliban, however i think it was only one taliban leader in particular (Mullah Mohammed Omar) who was really against it but before and after his rule however i dont think anyone really cared very strongly about stopping the opium trade. the taliban did lose control in what like 2001? so it was back to the old ways for the opium business there i guess; 3 million afgahnis are involved with the opium business :eek: and one third of afghanistans GDP comes from growing poppies/heroin, and it hit a record production of it in 2007.. not good. :(
bah! stupid drugs..
drug dealers/warlords are usually in their own sphere of business as opposed to al qaeda (as u said) but the two do interact on occasion, bin laden himself was involved in it if i remember correctly. and its just so profitable! i cant imagine al qaeda not trying to get in on the $4bil yearly trade, at least in part, u know? :shrug: i could be wrong of course :)
 
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