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right. in the cases i have been speeding, it was not unsafe. the end.
Last I checked, speeding tickets arent given out for "unsafe speeding", its for speeding. Being unsafe has nothing to do with it.

than what? the cop had no proof i was speeding, and i didn't do an unsafe lane change like he issued me a ticket for
Like I said, immature children........

You were speeding. That's the point. Grow up, and be a man, and admit what you did. They can write you a speeding ticket even without a radar readout if they want to. You should be thankful you got the ticket you did, not whining like a 15-year old who just got thier license.
 

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Last I checked, speeding tickets arent given out for "unsafe speeding", its for speeding. Being unsafe has nothing to do with it.
and thats nothing like what I originally stated.
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"speeding" 10-15 over isnt "unsafe."
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You were speeding. Grow up, and be a man.
i was speeding, and i was given a ticket for an unsafe lane change. bull shit is what it is.
 

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The Valentne is the only real choice! It's the arrows! If the cops hit you with instant on, you're hosed anyway. The purpose of a detector is to pick-up the excess particles that don't hit the car being shot. That's when you slow down!Laser is different as it is a light beam. The V1 also has a remote display(now copied by the others) so you can put it in your line of sight. I swap mine out between the cars and the bike. I also mount my unit behind the rear view mirror and hide the wires. The display sits on the steering column, that way people behind me can't see I have one. No red or green
light to see at night OR if the cop is behind you! I also use mine to know IF they are shooting me. Just today, I was blasting by the lake before deals gap and there sat the county, watching.He didn't shoot anyone, but still made everyone slow down. The speed limit drops from 55 to 40, and the only time I didn't have the v1 on the 'busa, I got a warning for doing 62! On the bike, I put the unit in the top of the tank bag and the remote sits on the dash between the windshield. Yes, they are expensive but,how much will a ticket cost you?Just ONE! If you go to court to fight it,you have to take off from work, sometimes more than once.I did. The only time I didn't have the unit in my truck!Never again! It cost me $200, but nothing on my record (It's about money NOT slowing people down) They are used to add funds to the budget. On a side note, valentine was one of the founders of cinncinati microwave(escort) before he started and cinn. micro went bankrupt. Also, the companies that make the detectors, make the radar guns too!It's all about the money!
 

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A few quick notes:

1) Radar "deflectors" or "jammers" are either illegal, or they don't work. There isn't a single legal radar jammer out there that works - PERIOD. The illegal ones - well, you don't want to get caught with those, and it's worse than speeding if the FCC is on your butt.

2) V1 is an excellent detector, no doubt. The arrows are an excellent feature, but in the end, the thing that makes a good radar detector is sensitivity and anti-falsing - these are opposing features, unfortunately, but are what make a good one cost more than a cheapie. Why? Because it's easy to be super sensitive, for best range and detection of instant-on from around a bend or over a hill. However, if the damn thing falses all the time, the you will tend to ignore it, making it useless to you.

In any case, take a look at Speed Zones - The Impartial Field Testing Authority for some great, detailed, independent testing of detectors. Radar Roy is a great resource for information as well. In the former site, you will see that the best detectors have great range, but in the over-the-hill test, certain models stand out over others. Feel free to draw your own conclusions from the raw data.

3) Laser detectors don't warn you with enough accuracy - so don't bother believing this feature. However, in many states, laser jammers ARE legal, since it's not an FCC controlled frequency. If you can, get a laser jammer (I had a BB on the Blinder here some time ago).

4) In the end, regardless of the equipment you have, it comes down to driving SMART. Even with a detector and a laser jammer, you cannot depend on them 100%. You HAVE TO keep an eye out at ALL TIMES if you plan to speed. There is no substitute for visual scanning.

5) Flashy looking cars draw more attention, as do younger drivers. It's not fair, but it's the way it is. I had a bright red Dodge Daytona with fins, louvers, ground effects, etc. I got pulled over more than 8 times in the 3-4 years I owned it, often even when I wasn't speeding. With the maroon-colored MX6, I left it stock looking, and I rarely got pulled over at all pver the 12 years I owned it. Trust me, I drove MUCH faster in the MX6 than I ever did with the Daytona.

Bottom line - the equipment helps, but it's not perfect. Visual scanning (and speeding "reasonably" - ie, where it's safe, when it's safe, and where you can search for hiding cops) is better. Put the two together, and you can make the best of your chances.

I do not condone speeding, however. I recommend driving to the level of your skill... this means, if you can drive in a straight line at 80mph, then get scared or panic when you have to turn (or get around someone who isn't paying attention) then you are going too fast for yourself, and your conditions. Unforutnately, younger drivers are typically overconfident (we all were) but it's important to learn the car, how it behaves, how it evades, and all that... THEN drive BELOW this speed, to ensure you are safe for yourself, and everyone else on the road. If you don't know where all the cars are around you, then you are not paying enough attention... I always know what cars are around me in all directions, and more in front, of course. Be a better driver, and then you will be safer. Don't be another statistic.
 

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Ok I agree that radar detectors DO WORK, but I also agree they have MAJOR limits the best thing to do is find that sweet spot between the two, Around where I live the cars drive with the old fashion Ka band, and play around with their fancy new lazer. which is actually like Lydar or something. the best thing about the lazer is that weather affects it's accuracy. so they don't use it in the rain or snow or fog. what I did when I first started driving is I used my radar to train myself to pick up on what the cop cars look like. Back then lol it was mostly a crown vic with maybe a ford explorer or two. now it's camaro's mustangs jeeps, minivans and more. But once you train yourself to pay attenion, you can avoid most issues before your radar dector even goes off. also pay attension to the road ahead. if you see cars slow down for what appears to be now reason, usally there's a reason. ( you never know maybe someone else has a radar dector and it's going off before you get up there.) around here cops have to have you on radar for 3 seconds before they can pull you over. so just staying in a range of 10-15mph over is good enough to slow down in time. when I first started to drive I was one of those stupid kids that drove 20-30 mph over EVERYWHERE, and ALL the time. now I've slowed down my NORMAL drive and get my "fix for speed" on the highway at certain TIMES of the day/night. that's probably the best way if no tracks are near you. Jus be careful. btw I have a Cobra, it works for the most part it tends to go off now and then for no reason. but it's Saved me some trouble. Watch out for the new KU band that might make it's way over here from England. Till then keep it real.
 

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But one thing thats better than a radar detector is a police radio scanner!
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That is one of the dumbest things you can do...I believe they can throw you in jail and/or hit you with $1000+ fines...

in addition to what everyone has said........ just drive like a normal human being............ speeding is the number one causes of car accidents..... -> injuries -> paralization -> death........
Not necessarily true...

I read in the Detroit Free Press a few months back that the majority of accidents are caused by distractions and lack of driving experience, not speeding...

It's because they're immature children who still aren't able to admit thier mistakes. They dont just hand out speeding tickets for no reason...


I speed too. A lot more than I should. Normally I drive at least 15 over, if not more. I've been lucky as to not get pulled over in the past few years.


I've gotten 3 speeding tickets before in a 2-year period, and I suppose 1 I could say was a little unfair, but I can admit the fact that "Hey. I messed up and was speeding" I'm not going to be a baby and whine "OH what BS! WTF did I get a ticket for!?" You don't want to get a ticket kids? DON'T SPEED. otherwise, thats a risk you have to be willing to take.
Times two...I have been on the wrong side of the law on a few occasions, and the best thing to do is admit you were in the wrong. I got out of 100+ dollar impound fee, one misdemeanor, and literally destroying a set of tires, right in front of a deputy...The biggest mistake you can make is giving the officer attitude.

I will admit though that there are some asshole cops out there that will write bull [shizzle] tickets, however, they are in the vast minority.
 

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+1 for both of the above posts!

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Speed does NOT cause more accidents... this is a lie perpetrated by the insurance companies, and the police, because it's fast/easy money for them. On a highway, it is NOT unsafe to be driving above the speed limit - what IS dangerous is:
  • Staying in the passing lane, when there are other faster vehicles behind you
  • Not using turn signals
  • Unattentive driver (due to talking (cellphone or other passengers), or numerous other dumb things people do while driving)
  • Driving SIGNIFICANTLY faster OR SLOWER than other cars on the road with you (that means you, guy in the right lane doing 55, while everyone else is doing 65)
Unfortunately, the first two require "work" to catch and ticket someone, while sitting on the side of the road waiting for the radar gun to beep is so much easier. It's also easier to "prove" a speeding ticket since the system has been so corrupted to assume that it's unsafe, and that it's infallible. Laser guns are actually MORE fallible, but the courts are too dumb to realize that a laser, alone, doesn't magically make any speed measurement more precise.

As for the latter, think about it this way. If everyone on the road drove at the exact same speed, would there be as many accidents? No... because to have an accident, you need to run into the car in front, or behind you. Since this is how the majority of accidents happen, it's obvious that the speed itself, doesn't cause the accident... but the inattentiveness of the drivers of the vehicles involved. Again, if everyone drove the same speed, at most you would have accidents due to vehicle failure, or side-swiping (which again, is due to inattentive drivers). The point is, the speed has NOTHING to do with it (assuming it's a reasonable speed, of course).

For proof of this "speed doesn't kill" statement, simply look at the many research papers written on this data. The fact is, ever since our national speed limit was eliminated, many states have seen a DECREASE in highway fatalities. This was in direct opposition to the insurance companies and police departments who claimed there would be a dramatic INCREASE in deaths if the states did that. Put simply, it didn't happen... because they are wrong. Of course, now they are conveniently "forgetting" they said this...

Lastly, federal studies have proven that when speed limits are set properly, that accident and fatality rates decrease on a given road, barring other real safety issues with the road. This is proven by the statements in the federal MUTCD (Manual of Uniform Traffic Control Devices) where it clearly states that speed limits should be set to the 85th-percentile of the traffic on the road. In other words, if you set the speed limit to the speed that 85% of the drivers are at, then you are safest. I know for a fact that here in MA, they choose to ignore this guideline on many roads... and I know that most people ignore these limits anyway, and drive above the posted limits.

Of course, politically speaking, this is ignored because it will make it harder to earn money for the police departments. I don't disagree... but maybe if they concentrated on the real safety hazards, the roads would be safer, AND they could keep making their money off tickets.
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Anyway, point is... SPEEDING DOESN'T KILL. I hate it when anyone perpetuates this propaganda.

I mean no offense to anyone who says this... I simply ask them to look at the facts before continuing with such statements. I am happy to provide a discussion and data to prove my point... be warned, I'm an engineer, and unless you bring facts, I don't think we will have much room for discussion.

Back to the original topic:
To reiterate what was said above - Radar detectors and other such equipment helps, but it's not a guarantee. Drive smart. I can't emphasize this enough.
 

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^^ of course speeding in a car doesn't kill. But the massive forces of deceleration and resulting impacts on the human body does :p
 

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That is one of the dumbest things you can do...I believe they can throw you in jail and/or hit you with $1000+ fines...
Yup. Big no-no.


Speed does NOT cause more accidents...
Of course not. People cause accidents. But speeding lowers thier reaction time, making thier ability to avoid accident severely reduced. It's a basic fact that the faster you go, the longer it takes you to slow down.

Times two...I have been on the wrong side of the law on a few occasions, and the best thing to do is admit you were in the wrong.
I've gotten out of a few tickets that way. just admit to what you've done, and a lot of the times they'll let you go.

Like in this skit. Dont do any of these things, and you'll have a good chance of not getting a ticket:)

YouTube - Chris Rock - How not to get your ass kicked by the po-po
 

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Just because you can buy something, that doesnt mean it's legal. You can buy pot pipes/paraphanelia all over the place, though it's illegal. You can buy Laser Jammers also. Again, not legal in most states.
 

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Of course not. People cause accidents. But speeding lowers thier reaction time, making thier ability to avoid accident severely reduced. It's a basic fact that the faster you go, the longer it takes you to slow down.
Umm... NO. Speeding does NOT reduce your "reaction time"... in fact that doesn't even make sense. Reducing reaction time is a good thing, but I know where you are headed with this.

Speeding may reduce your reaction DISTANCE but not your time. Even this is debatable, because if you are speeding, you SHOULD be paying MORE attention to the road, which means you would improve your reaction time, and hence your distance.

Again, my point was that speeding, in and of itself, does not increase accident rates. I repeat my previous example - if everyone drove at the same speed, there would be fewer accidents. This has already been proven by the reduction in national accident rates since the NMSL was repealed, and more reasonable speed limits have been established. It's also proven by the federal studies which recommend that speed limits should be set at 85-percentile speeds, not some number made up by a politician.

Yes, "speed doesn't kill, but the stop at the end does"... old joke. True, driving faster will increase your chance of fatality IF you have an accident where the speeds are greatly different (ie, a stationary object, or an opposing vehicle). However, if you can avoid the accident altogether, isn't this safest? Hence the advertising tagline: The safest way to survive an accident, is to never get into one. Still, in the case of many "stationary obstacles" or a high threat of accidents with opposing vehicles, speeds should certainly be reduced... hence I am not saying people should speed on city streets, etc. However, a 3 lane divided highway? I think there is MUCH less threat of issue there, as the evidence has always proven.

The majority of accidents are caused by driver inattention (due to distration, or being "bored"). Slow speed limits on highways increase this problem (studies have shown) which can increase accident rates. In addition, large speed variances in traffic increases accident rates as well. Note how none of these translate to higher accident rates due to "speeding". Again, avoid the accident altogether, and you are safer - speeding has nothing to do with it.

Note: When I say "speeding" I imply "reasonable speeding"... an idiot doing 100 when everyone is doing 75 doesn't make things safer; Everyone doing 75 all together IS safer than any one vehicle traveling drastically faster OR SLOWER than this. This is the point I am trying to make.
 

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I had a Whistler radar detector before my car got broken into... it worked for me! When driving from Humboldt to Sacramento or visa-versa there are alot of curvy fun roads, and I-5 is just one big flat strip.

I detected cops around corners and miles down a straight road. The only time I got a ticket with it was at the very top of a hill when a cop was comming from the other direction... nothing to reflect off of in the sky, so the detector didn't see him. I was going as fast as the other cars on the road, but I was in the passing lane so I got fucked.

I've never seen laser show up on my detector... and I'm sure glad.

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But one thing thats better than a radar detector is a police radio scanner!
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I would argue that! Radar detectors were and are still the best to detect cops
 

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Btw guys, I've gotten tickets with radars in the car. All from cop cars turned off and using their laser to speed trap ya. Itll alert you that you got hit by a laser. The police lights turning on before you pass them will alert ya too
 
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