Re: 2 stage T-stat
johniebgoode said:
Magik's done his research well, and if you think about it some, Mazda's warning probably does hold water. Thermostats are a mechanical device of sorts and eventually will fail.
In my opinion, incorporating the 2nd valve, assures that the T-stat should have a fail-proof mode in case it doesn't open upon reaching operating temp.
If a single stage style was stuck closed, use your imagination as to what may result inside the block without open flow to the rad ! Yep......you're cookin' the guts out of your "6"s motor.
A few extra bucks for the recommended T-stat could save you the expense of a head gasket and motor damage.
Any T-stat wether its a 2-stage or a single stage cheap or expensive, will stick OPEN when it fails..I mean come on I don't think the designers would be that stupid.
And good Im glad you pointed out that the sticker does not say to buy the part from Mazda, that was all I was trying to say, is that the people who say you should ONLY buy your replacement T-stat from MAZDA are full of BS, you can buy a replacement T-Stat from all sorts of aftermarket places for $7-$10 that work just fine as opposed to paying $40 for the same thing from Mazda. So thank you sleepcounter for proving my point for me.
"Good boy! Doing just what the sticker says!"
No, actually I was doing the logical thing, which was to Not pay Mazda $40 for a mesily T-stat (are you confused as to who I was making this argument to sleepcounter? because this T-stat argument was directed towards magik8, because he dissagerd with me when I said that it was dumb to only buy your T-stat from Mazda, which is when he posted that reply
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Originally posted by magik8
Mazda went to all the trouble to put the sticker under the hood near the radiator that says to only use the original equipment, 2-stage thermostat.
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And my reply was directed towards him stating how you can buy a replacement T-stat from anywhere's but Mazda for way cheaper and it will do the same job. Its just that the way you broke down my post, you made it seem like you thought that I was the one who stated the quote above.
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"Not sure anyone said that, but if they did, I would endorse that. I think there are better places to cut corners than a thermostat, especially for an engine that devours head gaskets, especially for an engine with dissimilar metals for block and head. Penny wise, pound foolish, etc.
And I'm a big fan of "just reading the manual". I think everyone should do that"
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Its been said before mabey not in this post but its been said many times, and I was just simply stating that it was dumb to think that. why? because its a damn T-stat as long as it can open at 180 degrees and close at anything below that, and will stick open when it fails it shouldn't matter where you get it or how much you pay. IMHO, if you pay more than $15 for a T-stat then your a fool and thats the kind of customers Mazda wants. Its not cutting corners its getting the same part for a way cheaper price because its not comming from a big name delearship. I mean How many of you really believe that A $40 mazda T-stat is going to work any different or better than a $12 T-stat of the same design? Not me, I have a 2-stage T-stat from an aftermarket source (NOT MAZDA) and it sure as hell didn't cost me $40 (it costed me $10) and it works just the same as the OEM t-stat did, only difference is the price. Most parts at Mazda are not expensive because of their quality they're expensive because its comming from Mazda and they know some people (like some of you guys) will be gullable enough to believe that parts like a T-stat should only be bought from them, therefor they know they can get away with a $40 price tag.
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"I can't find that in my manual. What page is that on?"
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keep reading, its in the manual in the oil change section, mabey Im not remembering correctly..mabey it said in order to keep your warrantee valid you must bring the car to Mazda for oil changes.
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"Bad guess. I take my 6 to a GM dealer, in fact. "
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Again Not directed towards you, was it you that said you should only go to Mazda for a replacement T-stat? No. It was magik8.
And ok but you still go to a dealership for an oil change, thats just as bad as going to Mazda for an oil change or going to Mazda to buy a $40 t-stat.
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"I think Mazda's quality control is better than Walmart's. You're entitled to your opinion. I once saved $4 on a thermostat and cooked a 12A engine. False economy. Chacun à son goût."
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Your excatly right..I too think Mazda's quility control is Better than Wal-mart's, thats why I don't buy my parts from Wal-Mart, I mean I and other people can use common sense when buying a replacement T-stat. Going to Mazda and paying $40 for a T-stat is not using common sense and neither is going to Wal-Mart, however going to a well knowen afterarket dealer and paying $10-$12 for a replacement T-stat is using common sense. Understand what im saying.
How did the T-stat ruin your 12A anyway...Im just courious, it seems to me that all T-stats are designed to stick open when they fail.
Methman