Mazda MX-6 Forum banner

1 - 17 of 17 Posts

·
Registered
Joined
·
287 Posts
Discussion Starter #1
Just a question im interested to know i currently run a panle K and N filter with a cold air feed to the box just wqondering does anyone have a pod on their f2t and how does it go and has anyone acually tried both and have a comparison.
Sorry if this has been posted beofre :p

anyway would love to know what people think on this.

PS: My mate has just bought a apexi superflow pod i might bolt that up and see what happens :cool:

Robbo
 

·
Registered
Joined
·
4,334 Posts
Pod

- Makes a cool induction noise :)
- Can gain more hp than the panel (if set up with CAI) :)
- Sucks in hot air :(
- Normally not insurable (by the main insurers) :(

Panel
- No induction noise :(
- Doesn't suck in hot engine air :)

Tripharn
 

·
Registered
Joined
·
123 Posts
the pod depending on its type MAY flow better than the panel due to more surface area IF completley sheilded from all the hot or warm air under teh engine and fed cold air.
 

·
Registered
Joined
·
1,994 Posts
DC2/DC5 Integra Type R (in the box)
EG/EK Civic Type R

i think thats about it for realistic cars
 

·
Registered
Joined
·
415 Posts
panels will be too restrictive esp if your car is putting out more power then stock. I've done some test's with a g-tech timer except it wasnt a k&n, just a factory replacement. I did however have my 3inch CAI piping for both runs...
 

·
Registered
Joined
·
1,153 Posts
when i first got my pod (k&n), i felt a SLIGHT decrease in power, but i just figured it was my brain playing tricks on me (because i knew it would be sucking in hot hair)..

honestly though, even if it does slow me down, i wouldnt ever go back to an airbox. I like induction noise. (even though i cant hear it right now with the damn leaky exhaust AGAINNNNNNN)

man, after seeing this post i walked outside, got my air box, and was about to put it back on to see the REAL difference before i posted a reply... then i remembered that i cant fit the thing on anymore!
 

·
Registered
Joined
·
287 Posts
Discussion Starter #8
Well basically im going to give the pod a go i think and then if i like that better i might ut my panel up for sale.

So aswer me if im wrong with this but

If having a bigger intercooler cools charge would the pod sucking hot air in not be a problem as the more air coming in could be cooled by the cooler???

Just interested to know

Any other thought would be great


Robbo

:p
 

·
Registered
Joined
·
433 Posts
Well from my experiences, the panel is the way to go. It has a better surface area tha the pod, being flat, and it is shielded by the heat of the engine bay. My pod did not make any suction noise(and a few mates ones with the pod on the turbo didnt either, i havent heard an mx make an induction noise yet) And instantly i noticed a power loss. Down low torque was suffered, and general breathabilty suffered.

BUT, having said all that, if you were to setup a pod in a sealed box, not permitting heat in to the intake, heat wrap the piping to turbo, but not after, and after the intercooler to the TB, that should have a major effect on intake temps. I got half way there with my project.
 

·
Registered
Joined
·
1,153 Posts
robbo, a cooler will help ofcourse, but having cooler air should still make an improvement..

im not sure, but i thought sucking in cooler air was better because it was denser than warm air..
 

·
Registered
Joined
·
78 Posts
hey guy's i am trying to find a K&N panel filter for the MX6 gen 2 but no luck, can you tell me the part #'s for the panel and pod filter's for a gen 2, thanks
 

·
Registered
Joined
·
5,550 Posts
See this whole debate about cold air and density .. isn’t that a mute point on a turbo?..
Doesn’t the booster only boost up to a certain pressure (10/15 psi what ever the waste gate is set for) and then dump the excess pressure/air.. ?.. I know could air is good for cooling the inter cooler and all (after the turbo) .. But the air in to the intake is going to be roasted as it passes thru the turbo any way isn’t it.. just a boosting novices point of view..

ok now tell me im wrong..lol
 

·
Registered
Joined
·
1,489 Posts
Don't the K&N filters let through a lot more dust etc than the stock airfilter? Are there any brands out there that flow better than stock but don't let through more particles?
 

·
Registered
Joined
·
7,061 Posts
Well to clear things up

First off with air- intakes it's about surface area, tHe bigger the surface area the less flow restriction.

The Best air-filters are the original car makers Cotton /paper mix, Theses are harder to come by as Mazda now make alot of these comon spare parts in Thailand, so you will find more repco stlye treated paper type elements.

THe difference between the Cotton/papaer and the Cotton treated, K&N is that the K&N uses the oil to filter the tiny particals of dust & dirt where as your Cotton/paper element uses the Paper to filter it. This is where the so called restricitons apply but ideally you should wash it out every month in dust areas and every 3 in city use ( daily use make it every 2 as them dam trucks kill and if you have a low cold air-feed into it as well)

Codl-air works it's been used from factory to racing. Any air out of the engine bay is colder and be it forced in by movment in travel or be sucked in by turbo, by the time it is heated by 1 or 2 degrees it's still codler the nthe 10 degress to 20 degress above in the in engine bay.

This in turn menas codler air is heat by the turbo but originally starting colder menas it is not as hot when it comes out.
Comes in at 20 degress ambiant Plus 70 from heating making 90degrees
but if it's 35 in engine bay air + 70 from heatign making the intercooler have to intercooler 105degrees of heated air.

The pod makes KW"s top end only due to less ristriction due to more surface airea but if you factroy Panla has large surface area it's not that big, 626/MX6 1st gen fairely large not huge like now BA or LS1 but big enough, If useing factroy turbo don't worry about it , as you will not see 1 difference between K&N & Factory maybe 1KW at top end but not consistant.

We did our own dyno report stock Type R made only 3KWs more when whole air-box removed no filter at wheels 3KWs nothing. Put me in driving and it's going to still lose .5 seconds on the quater over the owner = weight 100KG vs. 65KG
With pod it still lost 3Kws or lets be real precise 2.5Kw's but in the enigne bay it would loose more due to heat in the intake.
With the in take to the box removed we regained 1.7Kw's or 2.Kw up top.

Which really means crap all.

You question to Pod or panel, my soultion has always been follow the pros and the men in white coats.

Holden offer with Holden by desgin, exhuaust cold air intake on the LS1 which with proven results on the engien dyno bring it up too 275kWS on a SS 235KW motor.

The real difference is in the intake snorkel it's bigger overall has a bigger hole to suck air into.


Look at the group A Gibson motorsportGT-R 2 large boxed panel filters with large cold air-intake feed.
Group A VP commodre same thing 2 lagre, each corner behind the headlights, with big feeds.

So before you put a Pop on think do you want showy pod with lost of noise for that true Monica sucking noise
Do you want best perforamce with no noice Panel and cold feed.

Or do you want ot be nuts and just use notihng at all.

Thne again you cna just remove the silencer from the factory intake, inside the gaurd gives you more noise and still faactory intake which on the 626 works better then mx6.


Sorry about spelling, I'm in my tafe which joins onto this high school and the new year 11 have arrived, my eyes keep wondering
@-
 

·
Registered
Joined
·
433 Posts
Well, from the speeling, i couldnt understand the rest aswell. seems like a good looonnggg post. I get the drift of your point though, and fully agree.. i think..:rolleyes:
 

·
Registered
Joined
·
4,695 Posts
I have a K&N panel. I was sold by the display at Autobarn with a fan in a plastic box with a panel filter between the fan and a ping pong ball in a tube (reminded me of the night we thought we'd go to a strip club and........ nevermind). The display involved swapping the OEM filter with the K&N and seeing the different flow rate measured by the ping pong ball(I would have understood data but this display was cool)

The point is......... you had to cover about 1/3 of the K&N to get the same flow as the OEM.
K&N panels retain the stock look of the engine bay & it also falls into my master plan of a CAI thru my left guard.
 
1 - 17 of 17 Posts
Top